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Forgotten Son
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 16:07 |
laplace wrote:
there's certainly a brainless resurgence happening, particularly in the Saw series of films. but I think there are a long line of gore exploitation films that go back decades.
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I wouldn't say the Saw films are "brainless", well at least not the first one.
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KoS
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 20:13 |
 very moving  .
Edited by king of Siam - February 18 2007 at 20:14
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enteredwinter
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 00:40 |
I continue along my odyssey of watching many different movies over the past couple of weeks .... my opinions on the latest:
The Departed (2006) - Amazing. Brilliant. Martin Scorcese, Jack Nicholson, and I'll just stop there, there's no need to go on. If you like good Mafia/Crime movies, you need to see it.
Serenity (2005) - So disappointing. I had heard great things about this, supposedly it is one of the greatest sci-fi movies of recent times. It was based off of a canceled TV show, I think the show was called Firefly or something like that. Two key phrases there are "cancelled" and "TV show". The movie just feels like a TV show, and not a very good one at that. I gave it a 6/10 on IMDB - great visuals, mediocre acting, boring plot. Has anyone else seen this? I'm interested to hear other opinions.
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kazansky
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 02:28 |
Greenmiles, starred by Tom Hanks, a pretty good movie
Malena, starred by Monica Belucci, also good
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The devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us.
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toolis
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 02:45 |
American History X
Fight Club
Lost Highway
City Of God
Interview With The Vampire
Donnie Brasco
Requiem For A Dream
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...
-sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue...
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Jim Garten
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 03:54 |
laplace wrote:
there's certainly a brainless resurgence happening, particularly in the Saw series of films. |
Afraid I have to disagree completely here; I consider 'Saw' to be an excellent movie; very low budget & filmed in less than 10 days, the central concept of the film was (shock, horror) original, the atmosphere portrayed was genuinely claustrophobic - sure, there were the obligatory gory scenes, but there were enough plot twists & turns to keep the interest. 'Saw II' was OK, but quite a step down from the original, saved by the central character's interaction with the police captain throughout the movie & the nice (if predictable) denoument of the son being "...in a safe place" all along. Looking forward to seeing 'Saw III', though a little worried that apparently 'Saw IV' is to be released later this year - I predict the law of diminishing quality & returns which saw Clive Barker's 'Hellraiser' reduced from iconic to risible...
On another subject, I agree completely with two of BaldJean's recommendations:
'Blair Witch' was low budget, but original & genuinely scary; it suffered though from its own pre-release over-hype - had it been released without all this, I think it could have gone on to be a real cult classic (although this means the makers would not have become so rich  ).
'The Usual Suspects'... what can I say that hasn't already been said? Gabriel Byrne & Kevin Spaceys' finest roles in one of the best written crime films of the last couple of decades - outstanding!
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video vertigo
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 04:09 |
enteredwinter wrote:
I continue along my odyssey of watching many different movies over the past couple of weeks .... my opinions on the latest:The Departed (2006) - Amazing. Brilliant. Martin Scorcese, Jack Nicholson, and I'll just stop there, there's no need to go on. If you like good Mafia/Crime movies, you need to see it.Serenity (2005) - So disappointing. I had heard great things about this, supposedly it is one of the greatest sci-fi movies of recent times. It was based off of a canceled TV show, I think the show was called Firefly or something like that. Two key phrases there are "cancelled" and "TV show". The movie just feels like a TV show, and not a very good one at that. I gave it a 6/10 on IMDB - great visuals, mediocre acting, boring plot. Has anyone else seen this? I'm interested to hear other opinions.
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I really liked Serenity, yes it was very low budget, yes the actors are all TV actors. i think if you didn't see at least one or two episodes of the show Firefly you wouldn't like the film. I liked the show very much and wish it weren't cancelled. I think there were too many characters and too broad a setting to understand either the film or the series without seeing both.
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"The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa
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kazansky
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 04:22 |
enteredwinter wrote:
I continue along my odyssey of watching many different movies over the past couple of weeks .... my opinions on the latest:The Departed (2006) - Amazing. Brilliant. Martin Scorcese, Jack Nicholson, and I'll just stop there, there's no need to go on. If you like good Mafia/Crime movies, you need to see it.
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The Departed is good, but i prefer the original movie, the Infernal Affairs, starred by Andy Lau and Tony Leung.
I found that Infernal Affairs were more a serious movie, and The Departed rather entertaining more than a serious movie.
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The devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us.
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toolis
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 04:28 |
Jim Garten wrote:
laplace wrote:
there's certainly a brainless resurgence happening, particularly in the Saw series of films. |
Afraid I have to disagree completely here; I consider 'Saw' to be an excellent movie; very low budget & filmed in less than 10 days, the central concept of the film was (shock, horror) original, the atmosphere portrayed was genuinely claustrophobic - sure, there were the obligatory gory scenes, but there were enough plot twists & turns to keep the interest. 'Saw II' was OK, but quite a step down from the original, saved by the central character's interaction with the police captain throughout the movie & the nice (if predictable) denoument of the son being "...in a safe place" all along. Looking forward to seeing 'Saw III', though a little worried that apparently 'Saw IV' is to be released later this year - I predict the law of diminishing quality & returns which saw Clive Barker's 'Hellraiser' reduced from iconic to risible...
On another subject, I agree completely with two of BaldJean's recommendations:
'Blair Witch' was low budget, but original & genuinely scary; it suffered though from its own pre-release over-hype - had it been released without all this, I think it could have gone on to be a real cult classic (although this means the makers would not have become so rich ).
'The Usual Suspects'... what can I say that hasn't already been said? Gabriel Byrne & Kevin Spaceys' finest roles in one of the best written crime films of the last couple of decades - outstanding!
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Saw III is awfull... it's more gore than plot... a real disappointment... Saw I was great, brilliant... Saw II was ok but it was too silly that they didn't search the area and find the kid in the vault... anyway...
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...
-sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue...
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video vertigo
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 04:43 |
toolis wrote:
Jim Garten wrote:
laplace wrote:
there's certainly a brainless resurgence happening, particularly in the Saw series of films. |
Afraid I have to disagree completely here; I consider 'Saw' to be an excellent movie; very low budget & filmed in less than 10 days, the central concept of the film was (shock, horror) original, the atmosphere portrayed was genuinely claustrophobic - sure, there were the obligatory gory scenes, but there were enough plot twists & turns to keep the interest. 'Saw II' was OK, but quite a step down from the original, saved by the central character's interaction with the police captain throughout the movie & the nice (if predictable) denoument of the son being "...in a safe place" all along. Looking forward to seeing 'Saw III', though a little worried that apparently 'Saw IV' is to be released later this year - I predict the law of diminishing quality & returns which saw Clive Barker's 'Hellraiser' reduced from iconic to risible...
On another subject, I agree completely with two of BaldJean's recommendations:
'Blair Witch' was low budget, but original & genuinely scary; it suffered though from its own pre-release over-hype - had it been released without all this, I think it could have gone on to be a real cult classic (although this means the makers would not have become so rich ).
'The Usual Suspects'... what can I say that hasn't already been said? Gabriel Byrne & Kevin Spaceys' finest roles in one of the best written crime films of the last couple of decades - outstanding!
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Saw III is awfull... it's more gore than plot... a real disappointment... Saw I was great, brilliant... Saw II was ok but it was too silly that they didn't search the area and find the kid in the vault... anyway... |
I really enjoyed the Saw I. I was looking foward to getting Saw II and III, now not so much.
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"The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa
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toolis
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 04:50 |
video vertigo wrote:
toolis wrote:
Jim Garten wrote:
laplace wrote:
there's certainly a brainless resurgence happening, particularly in the Saw series of films. |
Afraid I have to disagree completely here; I consider 'Saw' to be an excellent movie; very low budget & filmed in less than 10 days, the central concept of the film was (shock, horror) original, the atmosphere portrayed was genuinely claustrophobic - sure, there were the obligatory gory scenes, but there were enough plot twists & turns to keep the interest. 'Saw II' was OK, but quite a step down from the original, saved by the central character's interaction with the police captain throughout the movie & the nice (if predictable) denoument of the son being "...in a safe place" all along. Looking forward to seeing 'Saw III', though a little worried that apparently 'Saw IV' is to be released later this year - I predict the law of diminishing quality & returns which saw Clive Barker's 'Hellraiser' reduced from iconic to risible...
On another subject, I agree completely with two of BaldJean's recommendations:
'Blair Witch' was low budget, but original & genuinely scary; it suffered though from its own pre-release over-hype - had it been released without all this, I think it could have gone on to be a real cult classic (although this means the makers would not have become so rich ).
'The Usual Suspects'... what can I say that hasn't already been said? Gabriel Byrne & Kevin Spaceys' finest roles in one of the best written crime films of the last couple of decades - outstanding!
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Saw III is awfull... it's more gore than plot... a real disappointment... Saw I was great, brilliant... Saw II was ok but it was too silly that they didn't search the area and find the kid in the vault... anyway... |
I really enjoyed the Saw I. I was looking foward to getting Saw II and III, now not so much.  |
don't be disappointed.. there are a lot of brilliant horror movies out there.. still, Saw II is worth watching it, it just doesn't reach the first one's standards...
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...
-sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue...
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video vertigo
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 04:52 |
toolis wrote:
video vertigo wrote:
toolis wrote:
Jim Garten wrote:
laplace wrote:
there's certainly a brainless resurgence happening, particularly in the Saw series of films. |
Afraid I have to disagree completely here; I consider 'Saw' to be an excellent movie; very low budget & filmed in less than 10 days, the central concept of the film was (shock, horror) original, the atmosphere portrayed was genuinely claustrophobic - sure, there were the obligatory gory scenes, but there were enough plot twists & turns to keep the interest. 'Saw II' was OK, but quite a step down from the original, saved by the central character's interaction with the police captain throughout the movie & the nice (if predictable) denoument of the son being "...in a safe place" all along. Looking forward to seeing 'Saw III', though a little worried that apparently 'Saw IV' is to be released later this year - I predict the law of diminishing quality & returns which saw Clive Barker's 'Hellraiser' reduced from iconic to risible...
On another subject, I agree completely with two of BaldJean's recommendations:
'Blair Witch' was low budget, but original & genuinely scary; it suffered though from its own pre-release over-hype - had it been released without all this, I think it could have gone on to be a real cult classic (although this means the makers would not have become so rich ).
'The Usual Suspects'... what can I say that hasn't already been said? Gabriel Byrne & Kevin Spaceys' finest roles in one of the best written crime films of the last couple of decades - outstanding!
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Saw III is awfull... it's more gore than plot... a real disappointment... Saw I was great, brilliant... Saw II was ok but it was too silly that they didn't search the area and find the kid in the vault... anyway... |
I really enjoyed the Saw I. I was looking foward to getting Saw II and III, now not so much.  |
don't be disappointed.. there are a lot of brilliant horror movies out there.. still, Saw II is worth watching it, it just doesn't reach the first one's standards... |
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Okay thanks, I'll leave it on my netflix list
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"The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa
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kazansky
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 04:56 |
For you who like movie based on world war, Enemy at the Gates is a great movie
the early scenes were cool
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The devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us.
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toolis
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 04:58 |
video vertigo wrote:
toolis wrote:
video vertigo wrote:
toolis wrote:
Jim Garten wrote:
laplace wrote:
there's certainly a brainless resurgence happening, particularly in the Saw series of films. |
Afraid I have to disagree completely here; I consider 'Saw' to be an excellent movie; very low budget & filmed in less than 10 days, the central concept of the film was (shock, horror) original, the atmosphere portrayed was genuinely claustrophobic - sure, there were the obligatory gory scenes, but there were enough plot twists & turns to keep the interest. 'Saw II' was OK, but quite a step down from the original, saved by the central character's interaction with the police captain throughout the movie & the nice (if predictable) denoument of the son being "...in a safe place" all along. Looking forward to seeing 'Saw III', though a little worried that apparently 'Saw IV' is to be released later this year - I predict the law of diminishing quality & returns which saw Clive Barker's 'Hellraiser' reduced from iconic to risible...
On another subject, I agree completely with two of BaldJean's recommendations:
'Blair Witch' was low budget, but original & genuinely scary; it suffered though from its own pre-release over-hype - had it been released without all this, I think it could have gone on to be a real cult classic (although this means the makers would not have become so rich ).
'The Usual Suspects'... what can I say that hasn't already been said? Gabriel Byrne & Kevin Spaceys' finest roles in one of the best written crime films of the last couple of decades - outstanding!
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Saw III is awfull... it's more gore than plot... a real disappointment... Saw I was great, brilliant... Saw II was ok but it was too silly that they didn't search the area and find the kid in the vault... anyway... |
I really enjoyed the Saw I. I was looking foward to getting Saw II and III, now not so much.  |
don't be disappointed.. there are a lot of brilliant horror movies out there.. still, Saw II is worth watching, it just doesn't reach the first one's standards... | '
Okay thanks, I'll leave it on my netflix list |
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...
-sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue...
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Logos
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 06:21 |
Saw III is much better than Saw II.
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sleeper
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 09:24 |
enteredwinter wrote:
I continue along my odyssey of watching many different movies over the past couple of weeks .... my opinions on the latest:
The Departed (2006) - Amazing. Brilliant. Martin Scorcese, Jack Nicholson, and I'll just stop there, there's no need to go on. If you like good Mafia/Crime movies, you need to see it.
Serenity (2005) - So disappointing. I had heard great things about this, supposedly it is one of the greatest sci-fi movies of recent times. It was based off of a canceled TV show, I think the show was called Firefly or something like that. Two key phrases there are "cancelled" and "TV show". The movie just feels like a TV show, and not a very good one at that. I gave it a 6/10 on IMDB - great visuals, mediocre acting, boring plot. Has anyone else seen this? I'm interested to hear other opinions.
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I havent seen The Departed yet but certainly want to. You REALLY, REALLY need to the original Infernal Affairs trilogy, its simply stunning. I have Serenity and love it, it all works brilliantly for me and feels like a film rather than a TV series.
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toolis
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 09:26 |
Logos wrote:
Saw III is much better than Saw II.
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no way... why would you say that?
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...
-sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue...
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kazansky
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 09:32 |
i'd like to say that Infernal Affairs 2 actually didn't have much to do with the trilogy, It doesn't related much with its prequel. The story of Infernal Affairs actually continues in the third movie. Even if you don't watch the second one i think it's okay
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The devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us.
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Logos
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 10:29 |
toolis wrote:
Logos wrote:
Saw III is much better than Saw II.
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no way... why would you say that? |
A damn good, exciting and disturbing plot and a good dose of extreme violence. I do like Saw II, but the third one just has it all. Brilliance. The ending in Saw II was probably the best in the series though.
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enteredwinter
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 12:43 |
Video Vertigo and Sleeper:
I admit, I may have judged Serenity too harshly too quickly. One reason it didn't work for me is I have no familiarity with the TV show. If I had been a fan, or at least watched some episodes, I probably would have felt differently about the movie. Also, the movie has an 8.0 on imdb.com, and both of you say you like it a lot, so there must be something there that I'm just not getting. I'll give it a second chance later on.
About Infernal Affairs: I'm definitely going to get the first one. Similar to the Serenity situation, there's something I probably should have watched before seeing The Departed, but better late than never.
Edited by enteredwinter - February 19 2007 at 12:44
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