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    Posted: April 14 2007 at 04:10
Have a look at this prog timeline I created:



Some genres are still missing. I am trying to create a simple view of the "prog universe" ... I don't want to make it too detailed, but I also want to show the important differences between the styles.


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I like it. I've wanted to do something like this myself for quie a while. I particularily like how you've also marked a core period of some styles.
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2007 at 04:30
Very interesting MIke. Is it fair to say that some of the metal categories you have included are not considered Prog on this site?
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Points: 21847 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2007 at 04:39
^ Not really:

  • Extreme Prog Metal:
    Opeth, Death, Atheist, Cynic, etc
  • Prog Power Metal:
    Symphony X (they're also rooted in classic/melodic Prog Metal), Kamelot, Rhapsody, Angra, Pagan's Mind etc
  • Post Metal:
    Isis, Neurosis, Pelican, Cult of Luna, Red Sparowes etc
  • Tech/Shred Metal/Metal Fusion:
    Planet X, Anomaly, Indukti, Michael Romeo, John Petrucci,  Derek Sherinian,  Arctopus, Electrocution 250, Mattias Eklundh etc.
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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2007 at 04:50
I think "technical" and "shred" metal began in the late 1980s - and would dispute some of the "core" timelines - but great 1st attempt!
 
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Points: 21847 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2007 at 04:54
^ Thanks! Could you name some of these early tech/shred metal bands/albums?

I agree that the "core" timelines need to be adjusted ... Neo prog begins a bit too early for example.
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Points: 46843 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2007 at 05:02
Mike...Cert... as you all know .. I'm not an expert on metal... just as always ..curious...

what do you say to those who call... groups like Uriah Heep and Deep Purple proto Prog Metal. I see them called that every once in a while


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I think you've totally forgotten Krautrock
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^ yes, I mentioned in the first post that some genres are missing. Feel free to make some suggestions as to how to add them to the timeline, and I'll try to add them.Smile
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^ good thing I held off posting ... I figured you had it under classic prog...
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Mike, you did some nice work hereThumbs%20Up

But which bands do you consider as "Nu" Prog??
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Excellent!

However, my usual comment: careful with that word 'fusion'!
Indo jazz fusion from 1965 (e.g. Harriott-Mayer Indo-Jazz Fusion Double Quintet) - which allows you bring in Indo-prog......
US proto jazz rock from 1966 (e.g. Free Spirits)
UK proto jazz rock from 1963 (e.g. Graham Bond, Georgie Fame)
First distinct jazz rock album Emergency by Lifetime - possibly - 1968. Soft Machine Volume 2 clearly shows the cross over from psychedelic to jazz rock fusion

In fact Mike you have inspired me to make a more detailed time-line for jazz fusion, bringing in acid jazz, fuzac, (god forbid) smooth jazz, and that more exciting and often cutting edge jazz fusion dating from the 90's: nu.fusion, drum'n'bass jazz, rap jazz, nu.jazz, etc.


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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

First distinct jazz rock album Emergency by Lifetime - possibly - 1968.



   

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Canterbury Scene missing too?
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Originally posted by coleio coleio wrote:

Canterbury Scene missing too?


'classic prog' if I ever heard it.. unless it is just a synonym for the same old hat symhonic stuff
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I suspect what you mean by power prog, but the term was used initially to desribe bands like Savatage and Crimson Glory in the eighties/early nineties, so saying it's a post-'95 affair is not really exact. Then again, I realise you have a totally different style in mind, but think about where the said bands would fit in that case.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Mike...Cert... as you all know .. I'm not an expert on metal... just as always ..curious...

what do you say to those who call... groups like Uriah Heep and Deep Purple proto Prog Metal. I see them called that every once in a while


Moreover, I have seen Rush frequently categorized as both heavy metal and progressive rock (and rightly so, IMO, since they fused elements of both styles), so isn't it fair to say that - if not full-blown prog metal as we know it now - they are at least proto-prog metal?

Interesting chart though, if a little "crowded". Tongue On the other hand, at least that's a good way to show nay-sayers that prog is still "alive" in the 21st century! LOL
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Mike,

Nice first shot - although I get rashes from the moniker Nu-Prog, like I got a couple of years ago with Nu-Metal. Oh well....

Are you picking the genres from Progtology or common use, or are you naming them specifically for this chart?
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Points: 10616 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2007 at 17:02

I must say I like your time line a lot, even when some things like Canterbury are missing Clap
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I don't like the naming of "nu prog," since it makes it like it's drawing a parallel to nu metal, which is just a good concept simplified and made formulaic. Also, I tend to think prog is a lot more musical than metal, so it really can't be simplified and "punk-ized." Also, The Mars Volta is not punk prog.
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