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Points: 1751 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2007 at 19:06
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I actually have a few ABBA albums and like slapping them on the turntable every now and then. I`ve heard everything ( just about ) by Split Enz. Still not progStern%20Smile. 


What albums haven't you heard by them?Smile



  
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'I got you' was obviously such a classic prog song, that i bought it for it's decent pop content.
 
I worked with a New Zealand panel beater, who knew his music, and he never ever hinted at Split Enz being prog. I like SE but prog......LOLLOL
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Points: 1751 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2007 at 21:55
Originally posted by Hyperborea Hyperborea wrote:

'I got you' was obviously such a classic prog song, that i bought it for it's decent pop content.
 
I worked with a New Zealand panel beater, who knew his music, and he never ever hinted at Split Enz being prog. I like SE but prog......LOLLOL


Wow I didn't know that panel beaters were music experts on Whats Prog and What Isn't, we should make all the Panel beaters on this website Collabs!!!Confused


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I am amazed this discussion is going on... Split Enz are here to stay!
And I like them... And they made great music.
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Points: 65792 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2007 at 00:00
^ no doubt.. just got the Mental Notes remaster


how much more progressive could you be in 1975... c'mon.

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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ no doubt.. just got the Mental Notes remaster


how much more progressive could you be in 1975... c'mon.



I've got to get the Mental Notes remaster as well as the Frenzy, Second Thoughts, Conflicting Emotions and Dizrthmia remasters.
Tell me, is the Mental Notes remaster and improvement? I know that the Frenzy remaster is quite a departure from the original with longer tracks etc.



  
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Points: 65792 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2007 at 02:19
it sounds great.. but it does have two bonus tracks, both live in Melbourne 1975, '129' and 'Lovey Dovey', and may disrupt the original flow for you



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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

it sounds great.. but it does have two bonus tracks, both live in Melbourne 1975, '129' and 'Lovey Dovey', and may disrupt the original flow for you





That's great, a lot of their early live stuff is not really available, I'm still hoping they'll release Nightmare Stampede on an affordable CD



  
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by akin akin wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

The addition of Split Enz to ArtRock was a very
careful and highly discussed process. Like many others here, I had
simply not heard their early albums and once I investigated, found a
very arty, creative and talented band who became pop but whose most
important work was highly progressive. This is true for many prog rock bands at that time, Argent for one, and a little band called Genesis.



And Journey. Seriously, same case of Split Enz.


No, not really.. at least not when the early work of both bands are compared.




Why not? Journey first three albums are proggish. They started their career as a prog band, but in a different genre.
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Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I actually have a few ABBA albums and like slapping them on the turntable every now and then. I`ve heard everything ( just about ) by Split Enz. Still not progStern%20Smile. 


What albums haven't you heard by them?Smile
Look, I know you like this band a lot and I happen to like them too and even took a peak at the videos you posted. I`ve heard bits and pieces of everything up to True Colours which I have a copy of plus one or two others. During my record collecting heyday I always filed them in the alternative section in my album collection along with stuff like  Blondie, Depeche Mode, Adam Ant and Strange Advance. Today it`s all mixed up because I`m all mixed up. I`ll check out the first album and I`ll get back to you. Fair enough?Big%20smile.


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Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I actually have a few ABBA albums and like slapping them on the turntable every now and then. I`ve heard everything ( just about ) by Split Enz. Still not progStern%20Smile. 


What albums haven't you heard by them?Smile
Look, I know you like this band a lot and I happen to like them too and even took a peak at the videos you posted. I`ve heard bits and pieces of everything up to True Colours which I have a copy of plus one or two others. During my record collecting heyday I always filed them in the alternative section in my album collection along with stuff like  Blondie, Depeche Mode, Adam Ant and Strange Advance. Today it`s all mixed up because I`m all mixed up. I`ll check out the first album and I`ll get back to you. Fair enough?Big%20smile.


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Split Enz and Crowded House are not prog in any way shape or form as they are more pop and rock than prog and they should not be discussed here on this forum thankoyu very much. If you want to you can go to www.frenzforum.com and chat there about Split Enz and Crowded Hous there but difinitely not here thankyou 
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Points: 2546 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2007 at 21:53
^^ Your personal opinion but as Split Enz are now included in PA then I think we have every right to discuss them - ad infinitum ...

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Points: 65792 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2007 at 22:19
Originally posted by valravennz valravennz wrote:

^^ Your personal opinion but as Split Enz are now included in PA then I think we have every right to discuss them - ad infinitum ...



not only that, but having now repeatedly heard the 'Mental Notes' remaster and the second album, I don't see how early Split Enz is anything other than bonafied art rock. Complex arrangements, much use of synths, mellotron, and non-rock instrumentation, classical influences and thematic tendencies. Again, would you exclude Genesis (an influence on Split Enz) because half their catalog is commercial pop? Sure Genesis was more important but it would be inappropriate for a progressive rock archives to not include this band.

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Points: 2546 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2007 at 23:46
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by valravennz valravennz wrote:

^^ Your personal opinion but as Split Enz are now included in PA then I think we have every right to discuss them - ad infinitum ...



not only that, but having now repeatedly heard the 'Mental Notes' remaster and the second album, I don't see how early Split Enz is anything other than bonafied art rock. Complex arrangements, much use of synths, mellotron, and non-rock instrumentation, classical influences and thematic tendencies. Again, would you exclude Genesis (an influence on Split Enz) because half their catalog is commercial pop? Sure Genesis was more important but it would be inappropriate for a progressive rock archives to not include this band.

 
A very appropriate comment and might I add that Split Enz's Art Rock style can be heard in all of their albums, even on just one or two tracks. Some of the Finn Brothers ballads especially on their later albums, are worthy of giving their music a prog chance in themselves. I am quite suspicious that some of the negative criticsm of the Enz in this thread is due to the fact that there is a large amount unfamiliarity with their earlier work or any work other than their well known singles eg: Six Months In a Leaky Boat, History Never Repeats, One Step Ahead and I See Red. Split Enz provide a quirky and humorous addition to a sometimes serious and heavy music repetoire that many of us  indulge in. Smile

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Points: 65792 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2007 at 23:53
that's right, as with many other bands whose main catalog one must hear to see the changes in style but retention of art leanings.

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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

that's right, as with many other bands whose main catalog one must hear to see the changes in style but retention of art leanings.


Nah, I say we chuck any band that released one album or more of decidely unprog music, i.e. short songs, lyrics that make sense & a point, limited number of time/tempo changes, longer / shorter hair, contemporary cover art, you know just about anything that you can't use to make yourself feel superior to those that don't have the musical taste necessary to distinguish good music, eh. Wink
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To cheesecakemouse...xxxxxxxxxxx...this guy knew, probably still does, more about music than you ever will. As for being a panel beater, i hope he catches up with you sooner, rather than later...split enz progLOLLOLLOLLOL
 
Sorry had to change my sodden boxers...keep peeing them when i hear they are prog.


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