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Yorkie X 
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 08:32 |
I think Black Sabbath could be proto prog  now don`t panic its probably just my lack of carrots in this months diet causing me to think strange things again , but I was listening to them and I`m sure I hear some early prog metal ideas anyway I just wanted to share my insanity with you and see what you think ? personally I think Sabbath could deserve to be here as a proto entry 
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 08:39 |
they'll most likely have their entry, someday... 
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1800iareyay
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 08:39 |
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put this in suggest new bands. Besides, I believe they were already rejected
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Paulieg
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 09:03 |
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Yes, albums such as Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Volume 4, Sabatoge, and Technical Ecstasy could be considered prog related in the least. Good point!!!!!
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Hatters
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 09:08 |
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Black Sabbath are way more prog than a lot of bands on here IMO.
They are responsible the whole Doom Metal movement and some of the metal bands on here are obviously heavily influenced by them.
However I think we need to sort out all the bands that have been added that everyone is complaining about before adding any more bands that are on the borders of Prog.
Edited by Hatters - July 24 2007 at 09:11
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febus
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 09:44 |
BLOOS SWEAT & TEARS and THE WHO are on progarchives now; so why not BLACK SABBATH!
I think one day Progarchives will become Rockarchives as they are adding more and more new names that are not related to the world of prog.
If i listen to some DEPECHE MODE, i can hear some prog touches here and there, so should we add them to progarchives too?
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paolo.beenees
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 09:56 |
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Well, just think that I consider prog more a period than a genre, and you'll understand why I agree with the first statement in this topic.
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Ricochet
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 09:59 |
 paolo.beenees wrote:
Well, just think that I consider prog more a period than a genre, and you'll understand why I agree with the first statement in this topic. |
that's quite scary. By judging time and not music style, your interpretation could mean all music starting 1965 is prog (or any band could join progressive rock, just for being in a sort of connected state with the movement).
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meinmatrix
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 10:23 |
Yorkie X wrote:
I was listening to them and I`m sure I hear some early prog metal ideas anyway I just wanted to share my insanity with you and see what you think? |
Well, this is just my 2 euro cents, but i think they play too loud and their riffs are too heavy to be considered a proto-prog band.
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Asphalt
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 11:04 |
^^^^ as opposed to say... Deep Purple? 
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East of Lyra
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 11:11 |
Certainly one of the most influential bands of all time, for heavy metal.
But I don't know if they'd fit in at Prog Archives. Unless there was a "Proto-Prog Metal" category.
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micky
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 11:21 |
East of Lyra wrote:
Certainly one of the most influential bands of all time, for heavy metal.
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that has been the main reason... and the definitive reason why Sabbath hasn't been included here even though these threads pop up every month or so... and probably the main reason they may NEVER be included here.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 11:34 |
1800iareyay wrote:
put this in suggest new bands. Besides, I believe they were already rejected |
Not currently rejected.
We will however let the Whoa addition settle down before considering further.
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clarke2001
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 11:47 |
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Black Sabbath are not the band who influenced prog (metal), they're the band who influenced bands who influnced prog metal.
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Barla
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 12:25 |
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Black Sabbath inluenced Metal overall, so, they influenced Prog Metal too! They could be Proto Prog because of that, and they're as prog as The Who IMO.
BTW, hey! Wakeman played on their Sabbath Bloody Sabbath album!! That's prog, and is considered by many as the first Prog Metal album ever!!
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Yorkie X
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 12:39 |
Hatters wrote:
Black Sabbath are way more prog than a lot of bands on here IMO.
They are responsible the whole Doom Metal movement and some of the metal bands on here are obviously heavily influenced by them.
However I think we need to sort out all the bands that have been added that everyone is complaining about before adding any more bands that are on the borders of Prog.
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Probably a sensible conclusion
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 14:06 |
If we have pseudo-proto-prog bands like The Who here, I, for one, think that there are TWO proto-prog-METAL bands that should be here: Black Sabbath and Metallica. The latter has been rejected by the owners, but if the former is still open, I hope they're included. Three bands influenced prog-metal the most: those two and Iron Maiden. The Beast is already here, THE ONLY prog-related band that is metal (talk about love for the genre)... I hope at least the fathers are here...
Led Zeppelin also inmfluenced prog metal but more indirectly... Black Sabbath did it more directly.
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Hirgwath
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 15:52 |
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Sabbath can't be proto-prog. It's a matter of definitions. Proto-prog is supposed to be the proggy stuff that came before prog, but Sabbath started at around the same time as the real prog movement, and was never considered a part of it.
Early Sabbath strikes me as vaguely prog-related, but I'd sooner see Jimi Hendrix included than the early Sabbath albums.
Also, the fact that they (and Metallica) influenced prog-metal is basically irrelevant. Are we going to include Woody Guthrie and Bob Dylan because they're proto-prog-folk? Should we include Mozart and Beethoven because they're proto-symphonic-prog? (Admittedly, I love all of those musicians/composers, but this is a *prog* website).
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stonebeard
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 15:56 |
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Stop. Just cut it off here.
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Ricochet
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 16:02 |
stonebeard wrote:
Stop. Just cut it off here.
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I agree, since I've just heard Beethoven and Mozart as wise ideas.  This is criminal. From Sabbath to Hendrix and Dylan, all this has been waken up by the addition of Who.
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