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meinmatrix ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 18 2007 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 230 |
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For me music is emotional thing. I've been often thinking about why only certain album of certain band pulls my triggers. I know that for many people prog means:
Technical brilliance Different time signatures Drug related themes Well now. If we drop all of this, i mean all of this nonsense, what band and their album would you love to hear? My fav. would be Animals by Pink Floyd. They're raw, sincere, just back to the basics kind of prog thing. No lazers in the actual album sir! |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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I've never been one to sit and count the number of beats in a bar while I'm listening to music, or even worry about the chord sequences being played or whether the guitarist is soloing in a pentantonic or some bizarre eastern scale. Music is music, it is supposed to be felt, not analised (yeah, I know, it's okay, I know it's spelt analysed, I'm punning). To me simplicity has more technical brilliance than overly complex music anyday, and Floyd are the perfect example of that - Gilmour demonstrates that clean restrained soloing has far more impact than flashy widdling.
The one album? Meddle.
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sleeper ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 09 2005 Location: Entropia Status: Offline Points: 16449 |
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Depends on the band, the best ones use their technical ability to express themselves, I find many bands fail because they cant play to the standard that would give the music its best effect.
I say leave it in because its part of what makes prog great, if you dont want that then listen to punk or something else. |
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puma ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 15 2007 Location: Boston, MA Status: Offline Points: 484 |
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The Court of the Crimson King doesn't have the same immense technicality as the later albums. It's still got its cool parts, but there's no 13/8 bass ostinatos, or 7/4 vocals over 4/4 guitar and drums or anything fancy like that. And despite that, it's still one of the best albums on this site, which goes to show it's about the emotion and the song structure than the technicality.
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rileydog22 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: August 24 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 8844 |
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I think that VdGG are the perfect example of a prog band that simply produces good music, rather than just seeing how many notes they can fit into a bar or how high the numerators of their time signatures can get. Dream Theater is just the opposite.
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65844 |
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^ good point about VdGG
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MadcapLaughs84 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 21 2006 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 658 |
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The Dark Side Of The Moon still would be my favorite
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sircosick ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: January 29 2007 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 1264 |
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^ According to the idea of this thread, Pink Floyd is logically THE band: the one which can got popularity, awards, even a label in the prog scene and, always, making simple music. I don't like them as much as other prog bands, but still I reckon their merit. Yet, I wouldn't chose one if their albums as the "most beloved simple prog release of mine"....
For me, Tull Clive Bunker's era wasn't more complex than Cream, Deep Purple or whatever..... and it doesn't mean complexity certainly.... My vote could go to This Was, but I'm not sure how simple do you mean by dropping some dosis of technical brilliance........ Edited by sircosick - September 04 2007 at 22:38 |
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The best you can is good enough...
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explodingjosh ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 10 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 507 |
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Funny that this topic came up, because I just finished listening to SFaM: Metropolis, and the only moments I felt like I was "feeling" something (awe, amazement) was during the instrumental sections. Its honestly hard for me to recall a moment on the album (especially the bookends) where James Labrie was singing and I was not rolling my eyes. Does he actually think that imitating Roger Waters is going to convey the same emotion?
When I listen to a PF album (DSoTM, WYWH), I hang onto every word, because they scare me sh*tless, they make me feel depressed, as if life itself is pointless, which I believe was the exact intent of Mr. Waters. LaBrie tried to sound like Waters, and left me laughing. Edited by explodingjosh - September 04 2007 at 22:31 |
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Dim ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 17 2007 Location: Austin TX Status: Offline Points: 6890 |
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Not KC
probably early porc tree, or nursery cryme
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explodingjosh ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 10 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 507 |
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ooh! ooh! Dredg is a good one! I call Dredg!
El Cielo sends electricity through my spine. |
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asimplemistake ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 13 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 840 |
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I'm going with Schizoid and saying early PT, but not Nursery Cryme (I just dont get genesis for some reason) but early PT and floyd do a great job.
Also Explosions in the Sky get my vote, very easy to listen to and really pleasant. Edited by asimplemistake - September 04 2007 at 23:55 |
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cuncuna ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 29 2005 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 4318 |
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żBrian Eno?
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 19380 |
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Pendragon's The Jewel and Multi-Story's East/West come to mind.
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cuncuna ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 29 2005 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 4318 |
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This Heat, The camberwell now and Charles Hayward as solo number are pretty decent, no ultra skilled oriented and an overall very inteligent music proposal... uhm... Kraftwerk, maybe, Can and the else...
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Floydian42 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 13 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 846 |
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How about Porcupine Tree? The music isn't complicated at all, but that takes nothing away from the brilliance in the music!
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Prog-jester ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 05 2005 Location: Love Beach Status: Offline Points: 5930 |
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Marillion, Godspeed You Black Emperor, Shadowland, The Amber Light, A Perfect Circle etc
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andu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 27 2006 Location: Romania Status: Offline Points: 3089 |
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I don't think any of the things you listed are "non-sense". By the way, I find "Animals" to be technically brilliant. Anyway, I don't really understand the question. Do you ask which prog bands that do not display technical brilliance in their music we like? I can't recall many. Maybe if I compared them to each other... OK: one band which I love despite not being as technically brilliant as the greats is Nektar. They have great melodies and an excellent feeling of "space" and they did a great job putting them into music, considering their technical prowess. Or, do you ask what prog music is great even if ignoring it's technical side? Then I would say YES. Even those not acquainted to prog can appreciate their classic materials because of the great basic melodies. Edited by andu - September 05 2007 at 02:23 |
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The Whistler ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 30 2006 Location: LA, CA Status: Offline Points: 7113 |
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For me, technical brilliance is a key in creating a perfect album. However, it's but one of many: so are solid melodies, diverse songs, emotional resonance, resonable intelligence, etc. So if an album isn't technically brilliant, it can still be good. Great even. It just can't be flawless.
As for my "technically stupid" album? Heh, Inna-Gadda-Da-Vida.
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fuxi ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2488 |
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I agree with Andu that there's nothing nonsensical about these things on their own. However, if you're talking about emotionally direct prog without too much instrumental trickery, Kevin Ayers' early solo albums and Robert Wyatt's deeply moving CUCKOOLAND are hard to beat!
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