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rudderhead 
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 Topic: Sabbath vs Zeppelin (REAL)
Posted: March 04 2008 at 21:20 |
Black Sabbath by far. Led Zeppelin may have invented heavy metal but Black Sabbath took it much further. Tony Iommi is much better than Jimmy Page. Just listen to the Warning JP cant top that. Tony Iommi also wins in the acoustic department just listen to Orchid, Laguna Sunrise, Fluff, way better than Jimmy Pages ramshackle approach on LZ3
I think Led Zeppelin are one of the most overated bands ever. I think almost every other hardrock band that made more than three albums is better (except for Kiss) Nevertheless still a good band just not as good as that.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 12:30 |
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I really can't decide what band cause of guitarist is Page but the band don't know. Both are awsome but different at the same time. I will say Sabbath and Page but still Zep and Page don't go behind.
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EclectricBlue
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Posted: January 02 2008 at 22:21 |
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did anybody go the he LZ show in London?
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PROGMONSTER2008
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Posted: December 29 2007 at 21:12 |
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I prefer Sabbath. Zeppelin had alot of uncool sounding heavy songs which sound very dated. Sabbath were cooler :)
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: December 29 2007 at 09:09 |
Even if some of their later works were shoddy, early sabbath was pure magic for me, so sabbath get my vote
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Philéas
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Posted: October 27 2007 at 15:10 |
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Zep with Page. But Sab with Page could've been really interesting.
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FunnyWays
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Posted: October 25 2007 at 16:48 |
Led Zeppelin is very good in small amounts for me. Black Sabbath, never got into it.
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electricsilence
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Posted: October 24 2007 at 20:50 |
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In my opinion, if you compare LZ's and BS's respective musicians individually, Black Sabbath takes a tremendous beat. Also Led Zeppelin was able to release good material consistenly all along their career, whereas Black Sabbath went through some tough spots releasing pretty sh*tty material, such as The Mob Rules or Technical Ecstasy.
ZEPPELIN RULES.
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Barla
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Posted: October 24 2007 at 18:50 |
 TheProgtologist wrote:
Tapfret wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
Seriously?????
Every band member in Led Zeppelin blows away their counterparts in Black Sabbath on their respective instruments. |
Well, I play all of the respective instrumentsbetter than Black sabbath. Certainly doesn't make my music better. Where Zep is concerned, I have also stolen less music from the front porches of Mississippi and Louisiana. |
Well,that's your opinion.Zep started out as a heavy,very blues influenced band,but the music they created later on in their career was on a whole other level than Sabbath's.
Just my opinion of course.I am a metal freak and love the Sabs,but Zeppelin is my favorite band ever and when comparing these two Zep trumps Sabbath in just about everything. |
Zeppelin is my favorite band ever (so far). Great to know here on PA are more Zep freaks. 
Logically, I choose Zeppelin over Sabbath any day. I enjoy early Sabbath to an extent, but there's no comparison to the gods of rock n' roll!
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tardis
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Posted: October 24 2007 at 00:45 |
Led Zeppelin and Jimmy Page Well...that was easy 
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Hat of Truth
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Posted: October 13 2007 at 04:17 |
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You could have mixed in Blackmore, much better guitarist.
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BroSpence
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Posted: October 12 2007 at 00:32 |
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After much self-debate I believe both to be equals.
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Abstrakt
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Posted: October 11 2007 at 12:20 |
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Even if Zeppelin is/was fantastic, few bands can match what i feel for early Sabbath!
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mrcozdude
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Posted: October 11 2007 at 12:13 |
debrewguy wrote:
Trickster F. wrote:
[QUOTE=efoman][QUOTE=Trickster F.][QUOTE=micky][QUOTE=Ghost Rider] [QUOTE=efoman]"Geezer Butler wrote the song Black Sabbath after he was given an occult book in Latin and Butler had a vision of a black hooded figure standing at the foot of his bed and told Osbourne about the vision. (from VH1 Black Sabbath Documentary)".
Here is a quote I found in Wikipedia referring to our overrated friends. i thought I remembered hearing somewhere that geezer Butler claimed this spirit vision he saw also basically dictated how some of the songs on the first album should go. But that's not something I can verify. But all in all I think the influence of Black Sabbath has made the world a worse place. All the hatred and darkness pumping through the veins of the metal heads of the world comes indirectly from Sabbath's influence on the start of the genre. This is a genre dedicated to thumbing you rnose in the face of God and boldly stating that you don't give a crap.
And even if they are just hamming up the image cause the kiddies are lapping it up, unfortunately the kiddies are taking it seriously, and they are making their fortune on the broken souls of the mixed up kids of the world. If this is something you groove on then more power to you. But you better hope the intellectually indefensible arguments of the atheists are true--that you really are as useless and worthless as a twig floating in a cess pool, and you have a nice sweet abyss of nothingness to look forward to--otherwise there will be Hell to pay. And the last time I looked pain, suffering, and hopelessness were bad things.
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Have you read the lyrics to their songs ? Let's go over a few quickly
" Now in darkness, world stops turning
Ashes where the bodies burning
No more war pigs of the power
Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of Judgment, God is calling
On their knees the war pigs crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan, laughing, spreads his wings
Oh Lord yeah!"
Obviously anti-christian ! they dare mention the evil dude !
" The world today is such a wicked thing
Fighting going on between the human race
People give good wishes to all their friends
While people just across the sea are counting the dead"
Heartless b*****ds ! Self centered egotistical druggies !
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Now you know the scene, your skin starts turning green
Your eyes no longer seeing life's reality
Push the needle in, face death's sickly grin
Holes are in your skin, caused by deadly pin"
How dare they make fun of drug addiction !
" Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say
If they knew you believe in God above?
They should realize before they criticize
that God is the only way to love"
Murderers ! Beasts ! hate-mongerers !
You're right. Sab are evil > Hanging's too good for them.
Whew, facing up to reality is hard work. Especially when you have to learn that you had no idea as to what you were talking about , eh ...
If you're looking for evil, rock music lyrics are not the place to start.
Hitler had no foreknowledge of heavy metal; Stalin was never a satanist; many white supremacists are self professed christians; Vincent Price was never a motive for murder.
The mind of man, though, is a much darker & cloudier place to search for the true root of what you see as a problem. Start there ...
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That speach was epic!
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debrewguy
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Posted: October 07 2007 at 19:53 |
Trickster F. wrote:
[QUOTE=efoman][QUOTE=Trickster F.][QUOTE=micky][QUOTE=Ghost Rider] [QUOTE=efoman]"Geezer Butler wrote the song Black Sabbath after he was given an occult book in Latin and Butler had a vision of a black hooded figure standing at the foot of his bed and told Osbourne about the vision. (from VH1 Black Sabbath Documentary)".
Here is a quote I found in Wikipedia referring to our overrated friends. i thought I remembered hearing somewhere that geezer Butler claimed this spirit vision he saw also basically dictated how some of the songs on the first album should go. But that's not something I can verify. But all in all I think the influence of Black Sabbath has made the world a worse place. All the hatred and darkness pumping through the veins of the metal heads of the world comes indirectly from Sabbath's influence on the start of the genre. This is a genre dedicated to thumbing you rnose in the face of God and boldly stating that you don't give a crap.
And even if they are just hamming up the image cause the kiddies are lapping it up, unfortunately the kiddies are taking it seriously, and they are making their fortune on the broken souls of the mixed up kids of the world. If this is something you groove on then more power to you. But you better hope the intellectually indefensible arguments of the atheists are true--that you really are as useless and worthless as a twig floating in a cess pool, and you have a nice sweet abyss of nothingness to look forward to--otherwise there will be Hell to pay. And the last time I looked pain, suffering, and hopelessness were bad things.
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Have you read the lyrics to their songs ? Let's go over a few quickly "
Now in darkness, world stops turning
Ashes where the bodies burning
No more war pigs of the power
Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of Judgment, God is calling
On their knees the war pigs crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan, laughing, spreads his wings
Oh Lord yeah!"
Obviously anti-christian ! they dare mention the evil dude !
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The world today is such a wicked thing
Fighting going on between the human race
People give good wishes to all their friends
While people just across the sea are counting the dead"
Heartless b*****ds ! Self centered egotistical druggies !
"
Now you know the scene, your skin starts turning green
Your eyes no longer seeing life's reality
Push the needle in, face death's sickly grin
Holes are in your skin, caused by deadly pin"
How dare they make fun of drug addiction !
"
Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say
If they knew you believe in God above?
They should realize before they criticize
that God is the only way to love"
Murderers ! Beasts ! hate-mongerers !
You're right. Sab are evil > Hanging's too good for them.
Whew, facing up to reality is hard work. Especially when you have to learn that you had no idea as to what you were talking about , eh ...
If you're looking for evil, rock music lyrics are not the place to start.
Hitler had no foreknowledge of heavy metal; Stalin was never a satanist; many white supremacists are self professed christians; Vincent Price was never a motive for murder.
The mind of man, though, is a much darker & cloudier place to search for the true root of what you see as a problem. Start there ...
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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Raff
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Posted: October 07 2007 at 14:32 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ I don't think you can completely separate the music from the artists. Apparently people differ in where they draw the line - for me it is racism, capital crimes and other things like that. For example I couldn't enjoy a piece of music when I knew that one of the artists was convicted of murder *and* his music is related to this behaviour.
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That's true for me too. I've never wanted to listen to any of those Norwegian bands, since I've read interviews with people like Varg Vikernes and the guy he killed, and their ideas are simply abhorrent to me, especially the whole matter of racism and white supremacy. Moreover, I am an art and history lover, and their wanton destruction of valuable Medieval buildings out of sheer fanaticism is something I just can't accept. However, BS weren't even close to anything of the sort... They were a bunch of young guys from a deprived area of Birmingham who couldn't have cared less about the downright scary stuff those Norwegian bands were propounding in the Nineties.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 07 2007 at 14:20 |
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^ I don't think you can completely separate the music from the artists. Apparently people differ in where they draw the line - for me it is racism, capital crimes and other things like that. For example I couldn't enjoy a piece of music when I knew that one of the artists was convicted of murder *and* his music is related to this behaviour.
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Trickster F.
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Posted: October 07 2007 at 13:52 |
efoman wrote:
Trickster F. wrote:
micky wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:
efoman wrote:
"Geezer Butler wrote the song Black Sabbath after he was given an occult book in Latin and Butler had a vision of a black hooded figure standing at the foot of his bed and told Osbourne about the vision. (from VH1 Black Sabbath Documentary)".
Here is a quote I found in Wikipedia referring to our overrated friends. i thought I remembered hearing somewhere that geezer Butler claimed this spirit vision he saw also basically dictated how some of the songs on the first album should go. But that's not something I can verify. But all in all I think the influence of Black Sabbath has made the world a worse place. All the hatred and darkness pumping through the veins of the metal heads of the world comes indirectly from Sabbath's influence on the start of the genre. This is a genre dedicated to thumbing you rnose in the face of God and boldly stating that you don't give a crap.
And even if they are just hamming up the image cause the kiddies are lapping it up, unfortunately the kiddies are taking it seriously, and they are making their fortune on the broken souls of the mixed up kids of the world. If this is something you groove on then more power to you. But you better hope the intellectually indefensible arguments of the atheists are true--that you really are as useless and worthless as a twig floating in a cess pool, and you have a nice sweet abyss of nothingness to look forward to--otherwise there will be Hell to pay. And the last time I looked pain, suffering, and hopelessness were bad things.
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Listen, you are entitled to your opinion, but not when you offend people who may have different opinions to yours. On these forums there are lots of atheists and agnostics, and they could very well take exception to your preaching - as any religious person would have the right to do if an atheist called him a deluded fool.
This is a music forum, and artists should be judged on the basis of musical input only. By all means say that BS are the worst band in the world, but please, leave the preaching of fire and brimstone outside this board.
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Amen sister.....
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Religion and music should never be considered to be two closely connected aspects. Here's one fact from my life (in third person), observed from two different perspectives:
One of the happiest days in a life of a Prog nerd was when he met the musicians from the band Emperor.
One of the happiest days in a life of an orthodox Christian was when he shook hands with a satanist, a church arsonist and a homophobic murderer, in that order.
The second sentence takes a look at the situation from the religious perspective, the first simply explains why the day was so special. Now, which one makes more sense? |
In my defense:
I don't cry about it when people tell me they don't believe in God. Why should an atheist be insulted by me saying I do, and that I believe atheism is intellectually indefensible? Do you tell the atheists to stay out of their opinions? I've noticed they are very proud to declare it on this site, so they must feel plenty of freedom regarding their beliefs.
Second, I preached no fire and brimstone, so I don't know what you're referring to. I just attempt to talk common sense. If you flood your senses with negativity and darkness, nothing good can come from it--and be you Atheist or Christian, Agnostic or Muslim, you don't need to spend your one short life on this Earth bathed in negative vibes.
As for the prog lover, Orthodox Christian dilemma--please try to see the reasoning of this before you dismiss it--if a person is that happy to shake a person like that's hand (I don't know who he is referring to) I would submit that music takes priority in your life over religion. Not a judgment, but IMO, a sound observation.
But in Sabbath's defense, they are child's play compared to the negativity that was unleashed by subsequent bands. And I have to disagree with the notion that music should be divorced from the image, statements, persona, and lyrical projections of the artists involved. I always considered those things very very important. And apparently so did most people who liked Black Sabbath--because musically they suck. |
You're off the point. You appreciate musicians for the art they create, as opposed to their beliefs, morals or religion.
Your post also contradicts what you just said, because the message conveys more negativity and hatred than the so-called "metalheads" who you are trying to depict in such an unpleasant way.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 07 2007 at 04:48 |
efoman wrote:
But all in all I think the influence of Black Sabbath has made the world a worse place. All the hatred and darkness pumping through the veins of the metal heads of the world comes indirectly from Sabbath's influence on the start of the genre. This is a genre dedicated to thumbing you rnose in the face of God and boldly stating that you don't give a crap. |
Utter Nonsense. First of all: Being a "metal head" does not mean that one has "hatred and darkness pumping through one's veins". Secondly: Black Sabbath are not a band who preach hatred and darkness. I'm not a fan btw. Thirdly: I'm not Christian, and I love listening to bands who deny Christianity ... listen to Celtic Frost - Monotheist if you want an example of this kind of music. But even listening to this music doesn't make me a bad person ... rather the reverse. I simply appreciate extreme views - in any direction as long as nobody gets hurt or crimes are promoted (which means that I for example won't listen to black metal bands whose members have been convicted of murder or arson). So: Am I a "metal head"? yes. Am I an atheist? yes. Am I a bad person dominated by hatred and darkness? no. 
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Easy Money
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Posted: October 07 2007 at 02:37 |
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OK I get it ... um ... got anything nice to say about anybody ? Something positive ... anybody at all.
Edited by Easy Money - October 07 2007 at 02:38
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