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Points: 9226 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2007 at 20:38
Originally posted by Proletariat Proletariat wrote:

Math rock is not probably the best term for the style, but we need to remember that it Is already considered a genre and already has a name that has been widly accepted, its not made up by the site like "eclectic prog".

The defining characteristic of Math-Rock is that it is a fusion of Prog, Avant, and Punk. And a lot of it sounds like punk in complex time signatures.
 
As for the post connection it is because they both developed around the same time by groups of connected bands. (math rock has a ton to do with Tortoise and early post but has little to do with GY!BE and the second wave of post)


that was what I was afraid of... I now know I will never get into math rock...LOL
from the little I have heard and understood it involves this st**id punkish beat Angry


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Math rock is not probably the best term for the style, but we need to remember that it Is already considered a genre and already has a name that has been widly accepted, its not made up by the site like "eclectic prog".

The defining characteristic of Math-Rock is that it is a fusion of Prog, Avant, and Punk. And a lot of it sounds like punk in complex time signatures.
 
As for the post connection it is because they both developed around the same time by groups of connected bands. (math rock has a ton to do with Tortoise and early post but has little to do with GY!BE and the second wave of post)
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Points: 65816 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2007 at 18:48
 ^ good point

and though certain artists (like Fripp or the Tech metal bands) are recognized as having mathematic tendencies, it was the U.S. brand of heavy, punk-tinctured minimalism that began emphasizing the strong pattern-based guitar rock that would eventually be labeled 'Math Rock'






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Originally posted by Fight Club Fight Club wrote:

There seems to be so much "mathematical" prog that I don't see how a Math Rock subgenre can come about. Isn't the mathematics one of the defining characteristics of a lot of prog?
 
Mathematics is one of the defining characteristics of music in general.Smile
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Points: 1697 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2007 at 03:54
ooooohhh. . . ha ha i remember, crips fo' life!
I knew about math rock before as a legitimate genre,  i was just curious as to its very quiet, seemingly unnoticed combination with post.



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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2007 at 03:50
Think Crimson hoods Micky...
 
By the way, in case it was not made clear, this is not a new genre, but a renaming of Experimental/Post Rock.


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Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

I've had to edit some posts in this thread to remove the quoting of a now invisible offensive one.Wink


oh! the forums been struck by "The Man"!  LOL

Why'd you have to go edit a post, now im killing myself trying to remember which post was deleted and considered offensive, i cant help it! errggg the mystery!
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I've had to edit some posts in this thread to remove the quoting of a now invisible offensive one.Wink
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Points: 572 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2007 at 00:21
There seems to be so much "mathematical" prog that I don't see how a Math Rock subgenre can come about. Isn't the mathematics one of the defining characteristics of a lot of prog?
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Points: 1697 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2007 at 00:12
i dont think math rock and math metal should get confused... at least the way i understand it. i listen to a lot of math metal, intronaut, dillinger escape plan, meshuggah, textures, behold . .  all the usual suspects, but from my scant view of math rock their tends to be not much of a similarity beyond the focus of technicality and precision. 
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Points: 1155 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 23:49
 I like this split, being a newcomer to both genres. As a suggested improvement, would there be a way in the subgenres to identify which bands are post and which are math, just to give the prospective listener an idea of what to expect?

Stylistically, I think the differences are what everyone has stated, with post rock focuses on ambiance and texture and math focusing more on dissonance and technicality. I'm not very familiar with the math rock subgenre, however I know I enjoy a lot of technical metal, which I've heard referred to as math metal, such as Dillinger Escape Plan, Mastodon, Behold...The Arctopus, etc.


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Points: 1319 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 23:44
So.. what happens when a Godspeed/Sigur Ros/EITS fan looks for something similar and comes across Ahleuchatistas?! Confusion and anger, I can only presume.
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Points: 166183 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 23:40
Where is 'experimental'? Still in there too?
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Points: 65816 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 23:24
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Points: 1697 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 23:09
i do have a few 65daysofstatic songs, (retrieved off the recently deceased eSnips.com) while under the impression that they were post rock and got suprised when i heard their sound. Math rock makes sense. ill check out Sleeping People and Don Caballero for a start. 
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Points: 65816 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 22:44
well, I'm listening to Oxes as we speak which are a very heavy, punk-influenced math band...  fantastic if you are in to that...  Sleeping People are  superb and just put out a new album Growing (their first s/t is great too).. and Sweep the Leg Johnny

Don Cab first two are excellent and 'American Don, and band Battles recommended






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Points: 9008 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 22:43
Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

...any suggestions on where to start listening, id like to find out what its all about?

Here are some recommendations:

AHLEUCHATISTAS
OXES
DON CABALLERO
YOUTHMOVIE SOUNDTRACK STRATEGIES / YOUTHMOVIES
SLEEPING PEOPLE

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Points: 9008 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 22:39
Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

when did this new genre addition happen?

This only happened a couple of days ago. No more than 2 weeks.

Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

and where was math rock before?

There wasn't a math rock genre before although there were math rock bands throughout the different genres in progarchives (post-rock, heavy prog, avant-prog). The new genre was to consolidate these bands and to keep adding math rock bands to progarchives.

Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

have i missed something?

Yes, but that's classified. Tongue Wink

Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

What are your thoughts on this?

I'm all for it. It took a lot of time and effort to do this so I'm very happy with the addition.

Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

personally im just a little confused, i just caught it. is this necessary?

Yes, it's necessary. Math Rock bands are Prog and they're as valid as any other bands and genres here in Progarchives.

Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

and how are math rock and post rock related?

The relation to Post-Rock can be pretty blurry, but I think listening to some bands will help you out on this:
65DAYSOFSTATIC
AUTO!AUTOMATIC!!
TOE.


There are still bands missing in the genre that are still in other genres in Progarchives, but we're working on it.Smile

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Points: 1697 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 22:32
i know, and i agree whole heartily with the splits, particularly the progmetal split as that is my main area of interest. I have added a rediculous amount of music since the split which would not have happened before when the five hundred or so artists were lumped together. just curious as to when this happened and such. i almost like it more in art rock but i dont want to be an instigator here... i know what happens to them folks LOL. im perfectly happy with math rock where it is. any suggestions on where to start listening, id like to find out what its all about?


EDIT- of course when i say "art rock" i mean heavy, eclectic or crossover.


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Points: 65816 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 21:39
much work behind the scenes, willhelm, all towards providing a way for members to find like-minded artists
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