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aapatsos ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 11 2005 Location: Manchester, UK Status: Offline Points: 9226 |
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that was what I was afraid of... I now know I will never get into math rock... ![]() from the little I have heard and understood it involves this st**id punkish beat ![]() Edited by aapatsos - December 10 2007 at 20:41 |
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Proletariat ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 30 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1882 |
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Math rock is not probably the best term for the style, but we need to remember that it Is already considered a genre and already has a name that has been widly accepted, its not made up by the site like "eclectic prog". The defining characteristic of Math-Rock is that it is a fusion of Prog, Avant, and Punk. And a lot of it sounds like punk in complex time signatures.As for the post connection it is because they both developed around the same time by groups of connected bands. (math rock has a ton to do with Tortoise and early post but has little to do with GY!BE and the second wave of post)
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Online Points: 65816 |
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^ good point
and though certain artists (like Fripp or the Tech metal bands) are recognized as having mathematic tendencies, it was the U.S. brand of heavy, punk-tinctured minimalism that began emphasizing the strong pattern-based guitar rock that would eventually be labeled 'Math Rock' Edited by Atavachron - December 10 2007 at 18:48 |
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clarke2001 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 14 2006 Location: Croatia Status: Offline Points: 4160 |
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Mathematics is one of the defining characteristics of music in general.
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keiser willhelm ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 14 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1697 |
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ooooohhh. . . ha ha i remember, crips fo' life!
I knew about math rock before as a legitimate genre, i was just curious as to its very quiet, seemingly unnoticed combination with post. Edited by keiser willhelm - December 10 2007 at 03:56 |
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Easy Livin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
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Think Crimson hoods Micky...
By the way, in case it was not made clear, this is not a new genre, but a renaming of Experimental/Post Rock.
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keiser willhelm ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 14 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1697 |
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oh! the forums been struck by "The Man"! ![]() Why'd you have to go edit a post, now im killing myself trying to remember which post was deleted and considered offensive, i cant help it! errggg the mystery! |
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Easy Livin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
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I've had to edit some posts in this thread to remove the quoting of a now invisible offensive one.
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Fight Club ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: May 21 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 572 |
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There seems to be so much "mathematical" prog that I don't see how a Math Rock subgenre can come about. Isn't the mathematics one of the defining characteristics of a lot of prog?
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keiser willhelm ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 14 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1697 |
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i dont think math rock and math metal should get confused... at least the way i understand it. i listen to a lot of math metal, intronaut, dillinger escape plan, meshuggah, textures, behold . . all the usual suspects, but from my scant view of math rock their tends to be not much of a similarity beyond the focus of technicality and precision.
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sean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 02 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1155 |
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I like this split, being a newcomer to both genres. As a suggested improvement, would there be a way in the subgenres to identify which bands are post and which are math, just to give the prospective listener an idea of what to expect?
Stylistically, I think the differences are what everyone has stated, with post rock focuses on ambiance and texture and math focusing more on dissonance and technicality. I'm not very familiar with the math rock subgenre, however I know I enjoy a lot of technical metal, which I've heard referred to as math metal, such as Dillinger Escape Plan, Mastodon, Behold...The Arctopus, etc. Edited by Easy Livin - December 10 2007 at 03:29 |
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Sckxyss ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 05 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1319 |
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So.. what happens when a Godspeed/Sigur Ros/EITS fan looks for something similar and comes across Ahleuchatistas?! Confusion and anger, I can only presume.
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Man With Hat ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166183 |
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Where is 'experimental'? Still in there too?
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Online Points: 65816 |
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^ perfect
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keiser willhelm ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 14 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1697 |
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i do have a few 65daysofstatic songs, (retrieved off the recently deceased eSnips.com) while under the impression that they were post rock and got suprised when i heard their sound. Math rock makes sense. ill check out Sleeping People and Don Caballero for a start.
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Online Points: 65816 |
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well, I'm listening to Oxes as we speak which are a very heavy, punk-influenced math band... fantastic if you are in to that... Sleeping People are superb and just put out a new album Growing (their first s/t is great too).. and Sweep the Leg Johnny
Don Cab first two are excellent and 'American Don, and band Battles recommended Edited by Atavachron - December 09 2007 at 22:47 |
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chamberry ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 24 2005 Location: Puerto Rico Status: Offline Points: 9008 |
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Here are some recommendations: AHLEUCHATISTAS OXES DON CABALLERO YOUTHMOVIE SOUNDTRACK STRATEGIES / YOUTHMOVIES SLEEPING PEOPLE |
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chamberry ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 24 2005 Location: Puerto Rico Status: Offline Points: 9008 |
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This only happened a couple of days ago. No more than 2 weeks.
There wasn't a math rock genre before although there were math rock bands throughout the different genres in progarchives (post-rock, heavy prog, avant-prog). The new genre was to consolidate these bands and to keep adding math rock bands to progarchives.
Yes, but that's classified. ![]() ![]()
I'm all for it. It took a lot of time and effort to do this so I'm very happy with the addition.
Yes, it's necessary. Math Rock bands are Prog and they're as valid as any other bands and genres here in Progarchives.
The relation to Post-Rock can be pretty blurry, but I think listening to some bands will help you out on this: 65DAYSOFSTATIC AUTO!AUTOMATIC!! TOE. There are still bands missing in the genre that are still in other genres in Progarchives, but we're working on it. ![]() |
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keiser willhelm ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 14 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1697 |
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i know, and i agree whole heartily with the splits, particularly the progmetal split as that is my main area of interest. I have added a rediculous amount of music since the split which would not have happened before when the five hundred or so artists were lumped together. just curious as to when this happened and such. i almost like it more in art rock but i dont want to be an instigator here... i know what happens to them folks
![]() EDIT- of course when i say "art rock" i mean heavy, eclectic or crossover. Edited by keiser willhelm - December 09 2007 at 22:34 |
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Online Points: 65816 |
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much work behind the scenes, willhelm, all towards providing a way for members to find like-minded artists
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