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    Posted: February 11 2008 at 23:47
today, people think that music is too simple and they can make a pop band
with one hit in all their entire career without knowledge in this world. Please,
someone, DO SOMETHING!!!! Rap is pollution, with its poor lyrical performance
and electronic music. Grunge is the same thing. punk rock is also the worst
invention in the industry of music, if this music......In one word,

MUSIC IS FALLING!
Nothing he's got, he really needs. Twenty first century schizoid man.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 02:54
what a bizarre post.

"poor lyrical performance"?
I'm no rap fan, but I can at least recognise the brilliant vocalising and word-play of many hip-hop artists.

You're complaining about grunge??   Are we in a time-warp where it's forever 1992 here?

Sorry, but this little rant comes across as very ignorant and childish.  There's plenty of different types of music, and there's plenty of prog music out there to enjoy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 05:19
Blog..?

More like 'Ranting Room' fodder. Not that it really a worthy rant. If you dont like Rap or grunge dont listen to it. Some people do, so let them enjoy it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 07:11
Originally posted by robg robg wrote:

what a bizarre post.
You're complaining about grunge??   Are we in a time-warp where it's forever 1992 here?
Sorry, but this little rant comes across as very ignorant and childish.....
 
Bizarre post ? Why ? Mike Giles post is accurate. It is superficial to say he is in a time-warp back to 1992. GRUNGE and PUNK may be distant in time, but they keep producing its effects to the present day.
 
Thanks to them and to the support of the music press, the music industry was corrupted by this (small thinking) idea that rock has to be loud and agressive and everything else which is not guitar-driven is crap.
 
Unfortunately people were led to believe in this  "school of thinking" which says that rock has to be kept down to 3 chords and it can't be well played by good musicians.
 
Mike Giles is right when he says that the actual state of music is awful:
 
1 )  RAP or HIP HOP is not about "music" at all.
2 )  Modern R&B may be tolerable, but it is nothing if compared to the orchestrated Philly Soul of the 70's or to the great FUNK bands of the 70's and 80's.
3 ) INDIE ROCK (an offshot of punk & grunge) sucks. They are still even worse than today's electronic groups that can't play a note and program everything using computer generated music.
 
So why call Michael Giles rant IGNORANT and CHILDISH ?
People are really something:
When they don't agree with a statement, instead of explaining their point of view or explaining why this or that may not be an accurate statement, the first thing they do is to offend the guy who said the thing one doesn't like.
 
Does the offense represents what one thinks about the subject? No.
 
If it is not a subject of your interest why offend ? Just keep away from the thread and let the guy say what he thinks.
 
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

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More like 'Ranting Room' fodder. Not that it really a worthy rant. If you dont like Rap or grunge dont listen to it......
 
Oh how innocent.... And do you think the music industry allow it ? It's on the television. It's on the cinema soundtrack. It's on the radio. It's on the elevator music. It's on the sound sistem inside the room we work. It's on the mall. It's on the supermarket ambient music.
 
You can't escape it... one has to keep up with it. ... unless you become a hermit... don't see, don't hear, don't talk, don't live.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 07:13

dont think anyone has ever been that impressed with the music scene around them. to the prog community the 70s seems pretty cool, but you have to remember, for every interesting band in the 70s, there was countless lame pop acts. of course, that brief era at the end of the 60s and begining of the 70s was a very special time for rock music and most other forms of art, but its passed and will never be again. 'poor lyrical performance'? what, as opposed to Yes?

theres some really great music around today, you just need to know where to find it
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 07:52
Originally posted by MAN- ERG MAN- ERG wrote:

Originally posted by robg robg wrote:

what a bizarre post.
You're complaining about grunge??   Are we in a time-warp where it's forever 1992 here?Sorry, but this little rant comes across as very ignorant and childish.....

 

Bizarre post ? Why ? Mike Giles post is accurate. It is superficial to say he is in a time-warp back to 1992. GRUNGE and PUNK may be distant in time, but they keep producing its effects to the present day.

 

Thanks to them and to the support of the music press, the music industry was corrupted by this (small thinking) idea that rock has to be loud and agressive and everything else which is not guitar-driven is crap.

 

Unfortunately people were led to believe in this  "school of thinking" which says that rock has to be kept down to 3 chords and it can't be well played by good musicians.

 

Mike Giles is right when he says that the actual state of music is awful:

 

1 )  RAP or HIP HOP is not about "music" at all.

2 )  Modern R&B may be tolerable, but it is nothing if compared to the orchestrated Philly Soul of the 70's or to the great FUNK bands of the 70's and 80's.

3 ) INDIE ROCK (an offshot of punk & grunge) sucks. They are still even worse than today's electronic groups that can't play a note and program everything using computer generated music.

 

So why call Michael Giles rant IGNORANT and CHILDISH ?

People are really something:

When they don't agree with a statement, instead of explaining their point of view or explaining why this or that may not be an accurate statement, the first thing they do is to offend the guy who said the thing one doesn't like.

 

Does the offense represents what one thinks about the subject? No.

 

If it is not a subject of your interest why offend ? Just keep away from the thread and let the guy say what he thinks.

 

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Blog..?More like 'Ranting Room' fodder. Not that it really a worthy rant. If you dont like Rap or grunge dont listen to it......

 

Oh how innocent.... And do you think the music industry allow it ? It's on the television. It's on the cinema soundtrack. It's on the radio. It's on the elevator music. It's on the sound sistem inside the room we work. It's on the mall. It's on the supermarket ambient music.

 

You can't escape it... one has to keep up with it. ... unless you become a hermit... don't see, don't hear, don't talk, don't live.


Buy yourself an Ipod then, and dont get so upset about it..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 08:00
Originally posted by MAN- ERG MAN- ERG wrote:

Oh how innocent.... And do you think the music industry allow it ? It's on the television. It's on the cinema soundtrack. It's on the radio. It's on the elevator music. It's on the sound sistem inside the room we work. It's on the mall. It's on the supermarket ambient music.
 
You can't escape it... one has to keep up with it. ... unless you become a hermit... don't see, don't hear, don't talk, don't live.
 
I escape it very well, don't see any problem doing it. I don't have to keep up with it; never have, and probably never will. Don't impose on us your views. Maybe you feel like you have to keep up. Others don't feel the same way. Is there anyone forcefully making you listen to this?
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 08:35
I honestly have to say that I agree with Mike Giles and Man-Erg.
 
It seems as if there is just no escaping this headache-inducing noise pollution any more. I feel personally violated when I can't try on a new pair of of trousers (pants) in a changing cubicle without getting the urge to flee the premises.
 
Of course the same thing applies (applied) in the '70s when everyone was bombarded with Donna Summer and Boney M, but it does seem that there was less of it and it was not so damn intrusive ALL THE TIME!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 09:39
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

.... Don't impose on us your views. Maybe you feel like you have to keep up. Others don't feel the same way..... 
 
Expressing one's opinion,  it is not imposing it on anyone.
 
I've just expressed what I thought about the subject. Nothing beyond that.
 
Since I am not forcing my view upon anyone, please don't feel imposed by it.  That view is MINENOT YOURS.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 09:58
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Buy yourself an Ipod then, and dont get so upset about it..
 
SmileHi Blacksword.... It is not that I can't sleep, but being raised in a musical family, It really makes me feel sorry for the state of  music today... but what can I do? It seems that the vast majority of people prefers to listen to it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 10:01

Not much use ranting about it.

Try and get your friends into some "better" music; I try to do it but by bit and it sometimes works. It is inevitable that the majority will go for the mediocre, popular and dull music;
We have the pleasure of listening to fabulous music; Let's do our best to try and spread the word.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 11:16
Listen to some Arctic Monkeys and cheer up, boy. You know you want to.

'Let's give it another fifteen seconds..'
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 11:33
I love prog and classic rock but still I like some alternative bands from now on like Audioslave, Pearl Jam, Blind Melon and from the pop section I like Simply Red and Inxs well it's actually new wave.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 11:34
Perhaps there are some falls in music but still music is evolving....... Don't make the God of Music angry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 11:38
I read your post MAN ERG and I really like it it's quite good. Here in Argentina happens the same with electronic music all my friends love that and thinks is great. In all my "parties" I have to dance with that. Okay it maybe good to dance but come on why don't you put The Who or Beatles to dance it's funner and better !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 13:11
Wow.

Congratulations on your almost frightening ignorance.

All genres have their good and bad representatives... and yes, mostly the bad representatives get played on the radio... but to say an entire genre is bad is like deciding a person is bad because they have AIDS. Just because there's something wrong doesn't mean it's necessarily bad.

Some bands you should listen to:

Stone Temple Pilots
NOFX
I Mother Earth
Primus
Tool (early Tool, when they were still Grunge)
Saul Williams
The Streets
Jedi Mind Tricks
Go and listen to my music.

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=31725
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 13:37
Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

I love prog and classic rock but still I like some alternative bands from now on like Audioslave, Pearl Jam, Blind Melon and from the pop section I like Simply Red and Inxs well it's actually new wave.
 
Hi..Smile
 
Well.....  the indie/alternative is one area of music I could never really appreciate. Too rough sounding for me.... What I like about music is the arrangements and the melodies.
 
But I love a lot of 80s POP bands like SWING OUT SISTER, SADE, KATE BUSH, PET SHOP BOYS, THOMAS DOLBY, PREFAB SPROUT, MORRISEY, THE SMITHS, SIMPLY RED, DOUBLE, TEARS FOR FEARS, LEVEL 42, LISA STANSFIELD...
 
For POP, I think the 80's where a perfect time : very adult and musically sophisticated with high standards set for POP MUSIC. It's a shame that this kind of sound, this kind of POP was sweapt away in the early 90's. From then on, even POP became crap... target to the adolescent market with a lot of fly-by-night silly things around (forgive me those of you who like it... I don't mean to offend anyone's tastes).
 
Needles to say that I love 70s ROCK too : VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR, KING CRIMSON, ELP, PINK FLOYD, YES, GENESIS, CAMEL, PFM, GENTLE GIANT, UK, McDONALD & GILES, CROSBY STILLS NASH AND YOUNG, TANGERINE DREAM...
 
... and in the soul area O'JAYS, TAVARES, EL COCO, DONALD BYRD, LE PAMPLEMOUSSE, BLUE MAGIC, HAROLD MELVIN, HALL AND OATES, MARVIN GAYE, FIRST CHOICE....
 
There was an excess of good music flying around in the 60s, 70s and 80s. It seems to me that all exceptional music was heavily concentrated in these decades. When it was over, nothing good or new was left for the next decades.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 16:50
Taste in music is completely subjective, and nobody's taste is more correct than anyone else's, whether they think it is or not.  Different forms of music serve for different purposes, and people should learn to respect other forms of music whether it fits into their tastes or not.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 21:59
Originally posted by I|I|I|I|I I|I|I|I|I wrote:

Wow.Congratulations on your almost frightening ignorance.All genres have their good and bad representatives... and yes, mostly the bad representatives get played on the radio... but to say an entire genre is bad is like deciding a person is bad because they have AIDS. Just because there's something wrong doesn't mean it's necessarily bad.Some bands you should listen to:Stone Temple PilotsNOFXI Mother EarthPrimusTool (early Tool, when they were still Grunge)Saul WilliamsThe StreetsJedi Mind Tricks



When was Tool ever Grunge?

By the way I like early Old School Hip Hop and Punk! The problem with today is the difference between "product" music written in a board room and music (of all genres) that wants to be more authentic. There is music out there that tries to be overly formulaic, to get a broad concenses of buyers. The record company sees that something has worked and pushes it out with the least amount of effort. Plus the average consumer (the age the market to) is age 10 - 13 years old, the product reflects this.

You see it in movies, the biggest movie blockbusters often get the razzie award for worst picture of the year. This though is not typified by any genre, they are in all even Prog. So calm down, the underground is a lot easier to access now with the internet.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 22:08
Why be so close minded? Punk rock can be really crappy, but it can be really great too. Same with hip-hop, a lot of it is awful but there's definetely some good stuff out there. It's like that with every genre. There's plenty of bad prog, but there's enough good stuff out there to satisfy me.
 
And what's wrong with grunge? Mudhoney, Dinosaur Jr, Melvins, Nirvana, all that stuff is great.
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