Vice President choices.

When I first saw that McCain picked Palin for his VP candidate, I thought, sweet...Michael Palin for VP, I'm gonna change my vote to McCain now.  How disappointed I was when I found out it was some chick from Alaska. 

Edited by The Doctor - August 31 2008 at 07:16

Both candidates suck for me.  Even the libertarian candidate, Bob Barr, sucks, and I'm pretty libertarian myself.  I'm not going to be quite old enough to vote in this election, and even if I was old enough I probably wouldn't vote.  

rileydog22 wrote: I hate to break up this serious discussion (ok, that's a lie), but

A simplistic viewpoint is things will never change until the people get the smarts and the balls to vote in a third party into the Presidential office. Once we show them that we can put someone into the office that is not from a mainstream party they might take notice and fear that change many follow in the House and Senate as well. This is only a pipe dream but we created this fiasco. We allow it to continue because it is more harder to change things. We like to sleep at night thinking that these politicians actually care about the average man. They care little about anyone that cannot allow them to keep their power. They like to throw out things like town hall meetings but when was the last time either party held a $10 a plate fund raising dinner so that the average American can rub elbows with them? Even on the state level you are lucky to see a fund raising dinner for a Congressman or Senator that's under $250 a plate. Politics is not for the common man nor do the parties care about the majority of those that they serve. They care only about the top 5% of the food chain. Everyone will say that it is the top 5% that pay the majority of taxes, while this is true it is not the top 5% of the people are not doing the jobs that keep this country running. It is the bottom 95% that is.

IVNORD wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: The vice presidential candidates match their presidential candidates counterparts in quality. Neither for me. NOt going to vote?

Meh...for me, both suck so....pfft. I dunno.

micky wrote:    My problems with him.. are economic.

could you elaborate?

The vice presidential candidates match their presidential candidates counterparts in quality. Neither for me.

IVNORD wrote: micky wrote: what town was that she was councilman of... Your Olympian condescension is really appaling......   Obama's experience in the Illinois Senate fares not much better.   As for the foreign policy, if elected, she will have to learn it while being #2; he will have to take a crash course the way Clinton did. Remember that great foreign policy maker?

I try my best...

yes... but he understands that is preferable to talk first then fight....   something the Republicans forgot on the way to the OK Corral    Bring em' On?  Yeah... whose  blood was spilled when they did. I'll take his 'inexperience' over what passes for experience any day.

Clinton's foreign policy ... was his most underappreciated aspect to his presidency. He was quite shrewd at it..  he was a quick learner 


Edited by micky - August 29 2008 at 21:30

micky wrote: just how much of a reality that there is a chance that the ex-city councilwoman from sh*thole Alaska could be the next President. In a VERY dangerous world today..

Substitute Arkansas for Alaska and you can see it's not unthinkable. An the world wasnt a less dengerous place 16 years ago. Nothing good came out of it though, I agree with you here.

micky wrote: NaturalScience wrote: I think Palin is a better choice, though neither candidate chose the best running mate they could have. I would love to know why you think so....  as was mentioned earlier..  sort of makes his inexperience argument shallower than it could be.. and that is one of the only selling points ..if not the only he has over Obama.  Not that it means anything... look at 2000 again. the talk shows here were having some kind of fun with it.... this is a candidate Pat.. who has one... one state budget she overseen...  and unless Alaska has treaties with foreign countries. .she has no experience with that. perception ... is reality....  it looks like a stupid move..  thus it will/could be seen as such.  It strikes me as a terrible decision.. don't you think people are going to realize.. and they will in debates when these two are face to face... just how much of a reality that there is a chance that the ex-city councilwoman from sh*thole Alaska could be the next President. In a VERY dangerous world today.. oh no Pat...  love you brother.. .but someone really has to explain just how this was a good move.

mick - I don't want to get into it too much, passions are running very high around here

I still think McCain needed some energy in the conservative base and the conservatives love her.  you say "it looks like a stupid move" - guess what?  All the GOP thinks Biden was a stupid move, all the Democrats think Palin was a stupid move.  Surprise.

There's a difference between inexperience of the VP candidate and that of a Presidential candidate.  You call her an "ex-city councilwoman from sh*thole Alaska", even though she is the governor of that state - I guess people on the other side can call Obama a mediocre Illinois state senator who only ascended to the U.S. Senate in what can only be described as an utter farce of an election.  Neither has had a hell of a lot of time on the national scene - but again, it's Obama that's running for the head job.

Anyways, our new king President was coronated last night, so what I think matters little.  Seems like it should be a walk in the park for Obama come November, but I heard the same things said 4 years ago.

I know you're a dyed-in-the-wool Dem, and I'm...well let's just say I'm not.    I'll let you have the last word because we don't need to get into a big exchange about it.  However, on one main point we do agree - the Republicans have been utterly corrupted over the past 8 years and longer, to be honest I think a spell on the sideline would be good for them.

Lots of disagreement but ever with respect my friend.