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mithrandir
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Posted: October 01 2008 at 21:03 |
I'm in agreement with a a lot of people here that think "Heaviness" is more that just a low end guitar tone or a loud production, for me what makes something Heavy is in how one strings together a handful of notes or creates a mammoth rhythm that overwhelms your senses and forces you down....down....down....further into a pool of quivering goo! That's why for me bands that just sustain a low end bass tone (a la Sunn) aren't all that heavy to me - unless they actually go somewhere with it. A lot of good albums have been mentioned but I still don't think any of them compare to my first choice: Swans - Public Castration is a Good Idea...that album is one of the most punishing recordings ever put to tape, it's a non stop battery of audial oppression, I beg for mercy yet it doesn't stop!!!! There would be no Godflesh, or Neurosis or Southern Lord records if it wasn't for the influence of Swans and their early recordings.
a few other albums I'd personally rank among the heaviest: Flower Travellin Band - satori Bedemon - child of darkness Angel Witch - Sinister History (Demos) Killing Joke - s/t Einstürzende Neubauten - Strategies Against Architecture Vol. I Laibach - slovenska akropola Swans - Filth + Cop Glenn Branca - Symphony No 1(Tonal Plexus) Celtic Frost - Morbid Tales Kilslug - answer the call Napalm Death - scum (huge evolutionary step of blending speed with super heavy sound) Godflesh - s/t Saint Vitus - pretty much everything they released Trouble - first 3 albums Discharge - hear nothing, see nothing, say nothing Amebix - everything but especially Monolith Crossed Out - discography Neanderthal - complete fighting music Dystopia - everything Rottrevore - iniquitous Autopsy - mental funeral Disembowelment - transcendence into the peripheral Coalesce - give them rope Harvey Milk - my love is higher + courtesy and goodwill towards men Halo - everything Burning Witch - everything Black Mass of Absu - everything
I'd also say Magma has some of the heaviest bass lines I've ever heard....!
I'd also say for my money, Magma - De Futura is one of the heaviest songs ever recorded,
Edited by mithrandir - October 01 2008 at 21:07
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topofsm
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Posted: October 01 2008 at 23:52 |
Someone earlier said there was a nile song where the tempo is slow, but the bass drums are just drilled as fast as possible. Slow tempo + Endlessly fast bass drum = Uber heavy.
I'd have to say that most grind stuff isn't very heavy. That goes for that hardcore stuff too. I guess that's why I don't find it very interesting.
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Jake Kobrin
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Posted: October 02 2008 at 01:49 |
Yeah that was me. The song was User-Maat-Re... one of the heaviest songs ever written!
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Dim
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Posted: October 04 2008 at 00:18 |
I dont find grind as heavy as much as brutal, same thing with death and black metal, even though Gorgoroth is indeed on of the most heaviest bands I've heard.
I guess if you actually want a list from me...
Cult of Luna- Everything except Somewhere along the highway
Isis- Everything up to panopticon
Sunn O)))- Everything
Earth- first couple of albums
5ive-Hesperus
Omega Massif- Geisterstadt
Kayo Dot- Choirs of the eye (C'mon guys, some of those songs are absolutely crushing)
Rosseta- Everything
UFOmammut- Idolum
Caldera- Mist through your consciousness
Pelican- First EP, and Australasia
Kongh-Counting heartbeats
Humanfly- II
North- What you were (first two EP's really arent that heavy)
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rogerthat
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Posted: October 06 2008 at 06:23 |
Modern metal has plenty of distortion and loudness, not to be confused with heaviness which is dependent on a specific guitar tone, but again not exclusively that. Indeed you may not even need guitar to portray heaviness, it is more attributable to certain elements of music falling in place. Black Sabbath's Master of Reality, Vol4 and Dehumanizer take a lot of beating though doom metal bands from the 90s and onwards are more and more able to approach that kind of heaviness. Like others have said, extreme metal is usually brutal rather than heavy but if you want some HEAVY death metal then the first Suffocation album is where it's at. Overkill's The Years of Decay has some seriously heavy riffs, notably in Evil Never Dies, unusual for thrash.
Edited by rogerthat - October 06 2008 at 06:26
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Posted: October 06 2008 at 07:48 |
I can't listen to much of this kind of music - gives me a headache - but you have to love these bands and their bands. I mean, you just know what sort of music a band called "Disembowelment" is going to play.
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rogerthat
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Posted: October 06 2008 at 07:54 |
chopper wrote:
I can't listen to much of this kind of music - gives me a headache - but you have to love these bands and their bands. I mean, you just know what sort of music a band called "Disembowelment" is going to play. |
Eh, Disembowelment is actually very depressive, expansive, beautiful - yes, I insist  - death-doom. They have grind influences but if you're thinking Cannibal Corpse - who are not grind anyway - then Disembowelment sound nothing like them.
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Abstrakt
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Posted: October 06 2008 at 08:49 |
Doesn't get much heavier than this:
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Jake Kobrin
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Posted: October 08 2008 at 01:15 |
I wonder how much Darkthrone paid for that little plug.
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Silver Sable
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Posted: October 08 2008 at 10:38 |
The heaviest album I've heard as of late that was actually wonderfully enjoyable is the newest Gojira album. I don't know what France is putting in the water that is producing some great bands, but they should definitely keep at it.
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Posted: October 08 2008 at 12:48 |
+1 for any melvins reference.
heaviest would have to go to anything super loud, slow and sludgy.
diSEMBOWELMENT comes to mind.
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: October 08 2008 at 18:56 |
Heavy groups, well Kreator have many heavy riffs.
Also Death and Dark Angel.
Cannibal Corpse and Napal Death are heavy as sh*t.
Deicide are very heavy.
Saint Vitus is also heavy
many more
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Posted: October 08 2008 at 19:15 |
Heavy , noisy and distorted all have different meanings. But I must state that KC 's Red at high volume has this deep , gloomy, thunderous and over the edge afterburn that is hard to fathom. Its almost spooky .
Seeing Hawkwind at its prime (with Powell and King drumming) was also very heavy , in fact, it was hard to listen to anything else for a few days.
Of course in terms os decibels , I think Deep Purple still holds the record but someone may have surpassed that by now.
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keiser willhelm
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Posted: October 08 2008 at 19:40 |
^ The melvins. . . .  also, in terms of heavy for its time pantera's cemetary gates or vulgar display of power was insane. heavier things have been done, but that chainsaw guitar tone and anselmo's vocals were above and beyond most stuff in the late 80's and early 90's.
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Finnforest
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Posted: October 08 2008 at 19:41 |
Gojira Some comments from my reviews....
Beyond heavy. This will burst your spleen. and “Gojira have chunks of bands like
Riverside in their stool.” 
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Proletariat
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Posted: October 08 2008 at 19:54 |
Sunn 0))) and Boris - Altar
Psychroptic - Scepter of the Antients
Cryptopsy - None so Vile
Wolf Eyes - Human Animal
Pain Killer - Guts of a Virgin/Buried Secrets
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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Jake Kobrin
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Posted: October 09 2008 at 01:19 |
I just listened to it again last night and I have to say that, although they're not extreme and even arguably not metal, The Sword - Age of Winters is REALLY heavy. Great stuff.
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mithrandir
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Posted: October 09 2008 at 20:37 |
rogerthat wrote:
Overkill's The Years of Decay has some seriously heavy riffs, notably in Evil Never Dies, unusual for thrash.
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indeed, "Skullcrusher" is also a heavy song off that album,
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mithrandir
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Posted: October 09 2008 at 20:43 |
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rogerthat
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Posted: October 10 2008 at 03:23 |
mithrandir wrote:
indeed, funny how the guy completely writes off a band due to their name, Disembowelment is one of a kind a very experimental band that so many bands that followed in their wake owe a lot to, probably the first band to ever use blastbeats over a super slow doomy riff,
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 Nice, refreshing change to meet someone who knows his metal. And to respond to your other post, yes Skullcrusher truly lives up to its name.
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