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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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Jean, is not inept, every Collaborator has suffered the rejection of more than one bands, in my case "The Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band" from Proto Prog among many others like "Panza" from Argentina in this exact moment.
Micky has proposed at least 4 bands that have been rejected (I remember the Jon Lord case which I personally rejected from Symphonic and Micky stayed), Raffaella also, and as we all the Collaborators at least one time.
There are even worst cases, Collaborators that have added bands that have been removed, and they are still here, because this is not personal, it's a matter of opinions.
If we all resigned because a band was rejected, there would be no more Collaborators in Prog Archives.
But it's your call, if you feel so affected for one band being rejected, while all of us had to accept the decisions of another team and the rules of the site, well, there's nothing we can do.
I hope you reconsider your option, because you're a valuable collaborator, but the call is your's.
Iván
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
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Angelo, I am not heated at all, I am merely stating a fact: either I or the responsible team is inept. I would have staked my reputation on the fact that the Stranglers are fully prog; if they are not I am inept by my own standards. if they however are, then obviously the team is inept. and that's not name-calling at all; it can't be if I concede my own possible ineptitude. I was totally serious when I wrote my status of "prog reviewer" should be removed; how can I be trusted as a prog reviewer if my assertion of the Stranglers is so blatantly wrong? their rejection, however, raises a serious discussion about what we call prog. I gave a checklist for the Stranglers, using the site's own standards. if they still fail to be accepted nevertheless then we should in my opinion redefine the standards, and in a way that makes the rejection of the Stranglers somewhat plausible, or else we lose credibility Edited by BaldJean - October 21 2008 at 14:17 |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38849 |
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Except that Metallica had been rejected before, and was later re-considered and added (I know that was M@X's decree). Decisions are not caste in stone, well, not always. I don't know if the Stranglers had been evaluated previously by a Prog team, but I would think that a recommendation by a Prog team for Related that has evaluated the band would count for quite a lot (if they endorsed it for PR).The admins' decision, of course, and I don't wish to open up a can of worms.
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Angelo ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244 |
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Raff ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24439 |
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They were rejected by PR about six months ago - which means they'll stay out of the DB, unless another team endorses them (which is unlikely at this point). As I said in my earlier post, I understand disappointment, but I can't condone name-calling.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38849 |
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From what I've read and heard, I expect that there was stronger case for The Stranglers in Prog-Related anyway. Now that it has been rejected by Crossover, perhaps that team will formally suggest it to, or has proposed/ endorsed it for, Prog Related.
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Raff ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24439 |
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Personally, I was in favour of the addition, but I am not going to lose sleep over that (I already do over a number of much more important things). That said, I don't think insulting the team members in the public forum is the way to go. Even if I wasn't personally involved with one of them (and I am), as someone who was a genre team member for over two years, I like my work to be respected, even if one may disagree with it.
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Ripples ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: May 13 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 88 |
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Countdown to Ecstasy by Steely Dan has a multitude of early prog moments on it, however, that being said so does the Raven and Meninblack by the Stranglers!
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
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well, I stick to what I said; I am obviously inept by the standards of this site. my votum seperatum, however, is that the team which decided it is inept. and I will stick to that too
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Windhawk ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 28 2006 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 11401 |
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Told someone else here that this would happen a couple of weeks ago; so not a surprising development at all. I wonder how sites like this would be if everyone had that my way or the highway attitude... |
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46843 |
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Steely Dan and the Stranglers are apples and oranges Jean. Completely different in just about every sense.
we gave them a fair eval... sorry you think otherwise. |
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
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I really fail to understand this. I am honestly asking myself whether I
am on the right site anymore or not. the door has been opened to bands
which in my opinion don't belong at all (Steely Dan, for example;
whoever decided that must really have been sitting on their ears) and
the Stranglers are being rejected.
a note to the administrators: I hereby resign from my post as prog reviewer; please set me to "senior member". if our opinions about what prog is are so very different I am not apt for that post |
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![]() A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
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Ripples ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: May 13 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 88 |
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Damn it all to hell!
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46843 |
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prophetic words perhaps... or was I Nostradamus... and foresaw the future hahhaha after a careful.. and thoughtful evaluation. The crossover team has rejected The Stranglers. The reasons... the music while definitely more than 'ordinary' mainstream music... and quality aside....just wasn't quite up to what the team saw as prog. |
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46843 |
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nothing Chris... just realized I didn't have a smart ass playful jab I could throw at you
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Chris S ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 09 2004 Location: Front Range Status: Offline Points: 7028 |
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erm....now what have I done?
![]() Anyhow diversity of opinions especially controversial ones is what makes these kind of debates so ' political' but as I have learn't music wins hands down every time at everyone elses expense. The Stranglers will be voted on the music without personal emotion.
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46843 |
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![]() the team is collating opinions now... as a reminder... as Dean noted.. this band due to the controversial nature of it... has to have the approval of all 3 of it's members for addition. That condition is there for you 'sky is falling' types that think this site is becoming allmusic.com. If a band can convince a big mouthed skinny runt from the states, a wise old fart from the motherland, and... hell... what do you say about Chris anyway. ![]() |
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
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believe it or not, Ivan: I also rely on my ears. it is very interesting that we come to completely different conclusions nevertheless. and I definitely like the "punk plus" quote: does it not say the Stranglers were more than just punk? there should in my opinion be a category named "prog punk" (yes, prog punk). the Stranglers, the Cardiacs and Inner City Unit (a band of Hawkwind saxophonist Nik Turner) would qualify for that genre Edited by BaldJean - October 17 2008 at 16:54 |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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I have no idea about The Stranglers... I just dropped in to say that these controversial additions surely make for THE best read here in PA!
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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Jean: only two things:
Just to end, will do it with a quote JJ Burnel has however said in an interview, "I certainly considered myself to be a punk-rocker". In another interview he goes further saying, "I would like to think we (The Stranglers) were more punk plus and then some".
So don't blame the industry, they catalogued themselves as Punk....I knoiw yu will mention Robert Fripp, he didn't liked the ter Prog, but he never sais we are X or Y genre, he hated all genre classification; The Stranglers shout "WE ARE PUNK"
Iván
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