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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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and the other favourite of George W.
I Rack (so near to I Ran)
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Henry Plainview ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 26 2008 Location: Declined Status: Offline Points: 16715 |
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Being an on independent label doesn't count as indie. I was talking about it as a genre term, which I know is nebulous and pretty much useless, but it's there and it's what he was talking about. You wouldn't call Tzadik releases "indie", yet it is an independent label. ![]() Edited by Henry Plainview - January 09 2009 at 12:28 |
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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manofmystery ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
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no contest, the 80s had:
The Safety Dance
Down Under
and Rick Astley
![]() not to mention, 99 Luftballoons Edited by manofmystery - January 09 2009 at 13:51 |
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moreitsythanyou ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: April 23 2006 Location: NYC Status: Offline Points: 11682 |
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H.P. is right. Indie is more of a musical style than a label classification. Its roots are in the 80s but didn't really start to take form until the 90s. |
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Henry Plainview ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 26 2008 Location: Declined Status: Offline Points: 16715 |
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I am against the term as a genre rather than a status, but Neutral Milk Hotel and The Arcade Fire can clearly be defined as part of the same musical movement, so we might as well use what we have. Like prog, we're stuck with what we got. ;-)
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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June ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 03 2008 Location: Montreal Status: Offline Points: 6521 |
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80s pop. Mostly cuz I was a kid and I had much older siblings listening to Duran Duran, so I think of the whole decade quite fondly.
If we go outside of the realm of pop, also 80s, if only post punk and psychobilly.
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Toaster Mantis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 12 2008 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 5898 |
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Yeah, most metal/punk/goth/industrial/noise bands are on independent labels but don't get classified as "indie". It seems to have come to mean "obscure rock music that can't be pigeonholed into any existing niche/doesn't have an associated sub-culture", sorta like a dumping ground really. |
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"The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32491 |
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1990s gave us Alice in Chains. I'm good with that.
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harmonium.ro ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
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Well I was of course only referring to the albums these bands produced during the 90s. |
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Cactus Choir ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 26 2008 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 1035 |
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I voted 80s since there are more bands I like from that era - Tears for Fears, Soft Cell, Ultravox, Propoganda, and there was some nice 60s retro-flavoured stuff like Matt Bianco and Swing Out Sister. Bit of a prog desert though. I never got into Marillion and had to get my good musicianship fix from Asia and Toto. There was some truly dire music in the 80s though. Someone once told me it has been scientifically proven that 1987 was the worst year in popular music history and I can well believe it. The ghastly Stock, Aitken and Waterman were everywhere and you couldn't escape their tinny, synthesised atrocities. A foul pestilence on the face of music.
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"And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!"
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BroSpence ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 05 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2614 |
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"Indie rock is a genre of Alternative rock that most notably exists in the independent underground music scene. It primarily refers to rock musicians that are or were unsigned, or have signed toindependent record labels, rather than major record labels. Genres or subgenres often associated with indie rock include lo-fi, post-rock, sadcore, C86, and math rock, to list but a few; other related (and sometimes overlapping) categories include shoegazing and indie pop. Indie rock artists place a premium on maintaining complete control of their music and careers, releasing albums on independent record labels (sometimes their own) and relying on touring, word-of-mouth, and airplay on independent or college radio stations for promotion. Some end up moving to major labels, often on favorable terms won by their prior independent success." "Indie rock takes its name from "independent," which describes both the do-it-yourself attitudes of its bands and the small, lower-budget nature of the labels that release the music. The biggest indie labels might strike distribution deals with major corporate labels, but their decision-making processes remain autonomous. As such, indie rock is free to explore sounds, emotions, and lyrical subjects that don't appeal to large, mainstream audiences -- profit isn't as much of a concern as personal taste (though the labels do, after all, want to stay in business)." I wouldn't call a Tzadik label release "Indie rock", but it sure is indie.
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Toaster Mantis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 12 2008 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 5898 |
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Anyway, people, keep in mind that this is a thread about the pop/rock of the eighties and nineties. The weirder stuff that doesn't even aspire to mainstream success even though some of it might become too popular to really be "underground" isn't really relevant here if I have understood the OP properly, even though I happen to think that when you look at the more under-the-radar culture of the early 1990s (not just music but also things like literature, movies etc.) even the stuff that crossed over into the mainstream, I see a lot of truly interesting stuff full of promises for the future of the arts that somehow - I don't know how to be honest - almost was squandered completely or just for the most part stopped going anywhere during the late nineties. In hindsight I really think the nineties were culturally as much a decade of starting off with a bang and going out with a whimper as... I can't really think of a parallel really, the 1970s maybe?
Or maybe that's just nostalgia talking... ![]() Crap, I really should get back on topic. Most of the good rock of the 1990s wasn't really pop-rock, and for that the eighties were better because of post-punk. |
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"The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook
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CPicard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 03 2008 Location: Lą, sui monti. Status: Offline Points: 10841 |
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Both of the periods could give me the will to die if I ever had to be tortured by the mandatory watching of VH1 day and night.
Frankly, each decade has its goods and bads and I can't tell which one had the Greater Evil in it. |
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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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http://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/1987 9. Guns n Roses - Appetite for Destruction 12. U2 - The Joshua Tree 17. Depeche Mode - Music for the Masses 29. REM - Document 49. Midnight Oil -Diesel and Dust 75. Joe Satriani - Surfin' with the Alien 88. INXS - Kick 96. Whitesnake - s/t Defnitely not the worst year ever. |
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Toaster Mantis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 12 2008 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 5898 |
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*looks at list* Sonic Youth above Prince? King Diamond above Pet Shop Boys? Something tells me this chart does not reflect what was popular in real life... ![]() |
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"The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook
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Cactus Choir ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 26 2008 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 1035 |
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Whitesnake and INXS an indication of quality?
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"And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!"
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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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Hmm....A user-based site on the internet...... You're right. ![]() |
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AlbertMond ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 27 2008 Location: Namibia Status: Offline Points: 139 |
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I couldn't agree much more. I always thought U2, R.E.M, Depeche Mode, and Madonna were most well known for their '80s work. That said, I don't think of them as '90s groups.
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Promotion so blatant that it's sad:
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AlbertMond ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 27 2008 Location: Namibia Status: Offline Points: 139 |
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It's "Rate Your Music". The "charts" here are based on modern user rating averages.
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Promotion so blatant that it's sad:
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Toaster Mantis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 12 2008 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 5898 |
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... and those who:
1) have internet connections 2) took time to participate on the site at that. I think it would be more useful to look at billboard archives and stuff like that to get a really good snapshot of music was "in" back then. The people doing the voting on RateYourMusic are voting from the historical hindsight of what should have been popular. |
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"The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook
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