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Ivan_Melgar_M 
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 Posted: June 29 2009 at 17:33 |
 ChitWinterwheat wrote:
PLEASSEEE!!! whatever next......Donny Osmond influenced Death Metal? |
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Luca Pacchiarini
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 17:28 |
Michael Jackson did for Progressive Rock as much as Adolf Hitler did for world peace.
Not much.
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ChitWinterwheat
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 15:27 |
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PLEASSEEE!!! whatever next......Donny Osmond influenced Death Metal?
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Beware the black labrador with hunger and eating on it's mind, for when your back is turned he will pinch the food from your plate.
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mattmcl
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 13:02 |
I'm curious. You say
the debate was raging and you "said" MJ had no influence on your kind
of music. When you said that, what did they say? Did anyone say,
"yeah, he probably didn't have much influence in Prague."  Seriously, what was their reaction? OP,
where are you?? If I could just get an answer to this question. Then
I can unsubscribe from this crazy thread, so inexplicably misconstrued
by some. Jeez! My coworker claimed that Jackson was the most influential musician since The Beatles, and had influenced every form of rock. I said he didn't influence MY music. The coworker eventually dropped the argument when he realized he hadn't heard of any of the bands I brought up.
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Evolver
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 12:57 |
Ukeyful wrote:
i guess his 'prog'ressingly bad health ultimately led to his death. |
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Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
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Ukeyful
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 12:01 |
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i guess his 'prog'ressingly bad health ultimately led to his death.
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J-Man
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 11:40 |
Etneciv wrote:
I would say no, but if he did, he didn't influence the right way. |
My thoughts exactly
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 10:02 |
Gianthogweed wrote:
He played keyboards, guitar and bass. I don't want to praise the guy too much because he was a sick and disturbed individual, but his contribution to music was undeniable, if overrated by some. And I wouldn't say his style was opposite to any prog band. |
I haven't seen him performing in any live act.
Not opposite?
Do you believe King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Yes, Genesis, ELP, etc have something in common with him?
Please, the next thing will be somebody askkig "Michael Jackson Prog Related?" Because if he influenced, he can be added to PR.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - July 01 2009 at 10:47
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Etneciv
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 09:28 |
I would say no, but if he did, he didn't influence the right way.
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Imagination is the key to my lyrics, the rest is painted with a little science fiction - Jimi Hendrix
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Gianthogweed
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 03:10 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Soirry but it's absurd.
Performance: MJ doesn't play a single instrument.
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He played keyboards, guitar and bass. I don't want to praise the guy too much because he was a sick and disturbed individual, but his contribution to music was undeniable, if overrated by some. And I wouldn't say his style was opposite to any prog band.
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hitting_singularity2
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 00:15 |
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do you really think i was calling people prejudice?
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: June 28 2009 at 22:43 |
Soirry but it's absurd.
Influence in what?
Style: MJ's Pop is the opposite style to any Prog band
Structuiure: Not at all
Performance: MJ doesn't play a single instrument.
Similarities: Not a single one
Purpose: One is mainly for dancing, the other absolutely not.
So it's not prejudice, it's a fact, Michael Jackson's music has absolutely nothing in common with Prog.
This doesn't mesan one is good and the other is bad, simply that both are radically different.
Iván
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hitting_singularity2
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Posted: June 28 2009 at 11:42 |
Gianthogweed and moshkito made the best posts here. He was a huge part of breaking down prejudices in the states, and made music videos what they are. I would not say he has a direct influence on much of what we call 'progressive rock' but anyone that big who is heard by that many people has an influence on almost all music made after or during their time. An artist is influenced by an amalgamation of all they hear, and everyone has heard Micheal Jackson, whether they like it or not.
I'm really pissed off by all of the jokes going on now, not on this site, but many of the statuses on FB and whatnot are just crude and disrespectful. It sickens me.
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Failcore
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Posted: June 28 2009 at 11:02 |
progrocker2244 wrote:
I love how any musician that is hugely famous is considered a large influence on music in general.
MJ was typical music of the time who happened to make it big. If he didn't, I guarantee you someone else like him would have, and music would be exactly where it is now.
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Wilcey
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Posted: June 28 2009 at 10:12 |
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I don't think it's necessary to be of a similar musical genre to be of influence. Many aspects can influence a musician, or inspire them. I truly believe Michael Jackson was of a much bigger influence than we prog folk give him credit for, and not just influentual to dance or pop acts.
NIck Barrett (Pendragon) says he was influenced by him in his latest blog.
http://www.pendragon.mu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2647
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 28 2009 at 09:57 |
Gianthogweed wrote:
Just because he didn't influence prog doesn't mean he wasn't hugely influential. I wouldn't put him up on as high a pedestal as The Beatles, but he definitely influenced nearly every pop, r&b and rap artist after 1980, which is no small feat.
As far as him influencing prog, he really didn't. His career started at the end of the 60s, the same time as most of the classic prog groups, but he was a little kid singing motown songs written by other people. His style of singing was motown and r&b, which influenced some prog artists like Phil Collins in the 80s, but I wouldn't say it was Michael Jackson's work in the Jackson 5 that specifically influenced his early solo records.
Peter Gabriel, on the hand, may have been influenced a little bit dance-wise, if you watch some of his 80s concerts in which he incorporates dance coreography, something Micheal Jackson mastered like no other artist. It really wasn't until the 80s that Jackson had any sort of influence on prog artists. He worked with Paul McCartney on a few songs, and they probably influenced each other on those collaborations (before their falling out). I think Jackson's influence on prog was felt more visually than musically, namely in the long epic videos which eventually was used by rock bands both prog and non-prog. And as more and more prog bands became pop in the 80s and 90s, it's possible they were all somewhat influenced by "the king of pop" to some degree. (ie Yes 90125 and "The Calling" as mentioned above).
But I think we're neglecting to mention how much prog influenced Micheal Jackson. There's no doubt he was influenced by The Beatles to a large degree. The extravagent stage shows and epic songs/storylines were something that started becoming popular with prog and Michael Jackson incorporated some of that into his videos and pop songs. Some of the guitar playing on his songs (the finger tapping in Beat It for example) was influenced by prog. The blending of different styles of music, though not purely a progressive feature, was definitely made popular by prog of the 70s, and something Michael Jackson did often in his music. I would definitely say Michael Jackson was more influenced by prog than he influenced it. |
Excellent vice versa dude. 
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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J-Man
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Posted: June 28 2009 at 09:43 |
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I love how any musician that is hugely famous is considered a large influence on music in general.
MJ was typical music of the time who happened to make it big. If he didn't, I guarantee you someone else like him would have, and music would be exactly where it is now.
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SergiUriah
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Posted: June 28 2009 at 07:03 |
ClemofNazareth wrote:
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Hahaha...a serious reply at last! 
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Gianthogweed
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Posted: June 28 2009 at 06:40 |
Just because he didn't influence prog doesn't mean he wasn't hugely influential. I wouldn't put him up on as high a pedestal as The Beatles, but he definitely influenced nearly every pop, r&b and rap artist after 1980, which is no small feat.
As far as him influencing prog, he really didn't. His career started at the end of the 60s, the same time as most of the classic prog groups, but he was a little kid singing motown songs written by other people. His style of singing was motown and r&b, which influenced some prog artists like Phil Collins in the 80s, but I wouldn't say it was Michael Jackson's work in the Jackson 5 that specifically influenced his early solo records.
Peter Gabriel, on the otherhand, may have been influenced a little bit dance-wise, if you watch some of his 80s concerts in which he incorporates dance coreography, something Micheal Jackson mastered like no other artist. It really wasn't until the 80s that Jackson had any sort of influence on prog artists. He worked with Paul McCartney on a few songs, and they probably influenced each other on those collaborations (before their falling out). I think Jackson's influence on prog was felt more visually than musically, namely in the long epic videos which eventually was used by rock bands both prog and non-prog. And as more and more prog bands became pop in the 80s and 90s, it's possible they were all somewhat influenced by "the king of pop" to some degree. (ie Yes 90125 and "The Calling" as mentioned above).
But I think we're neglecting to mention how much prog influenced Micheal Jackson. There's no doubt he was influenced by The Beatles to a large degree. The extravagent stage shows and epic songs/storylines were something that started becoming popular with prog and Michael Jackson incorporated some of that into his videos and pop songs. Some of the guitar playing on his songs (the finger tapping in Beat It for example) was influenced by prog. The blending of different styles of music, though not purely a progressive feature, was definitely made popular by prog of the 70s, and something Michael Jackson did often in his music. I would definitely say Michael Jackson was more influenced by prog than he influenced it.
Edited by Gianthogweed - June 29 2009 at 02:47
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jplanet
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Posted: June 27 2009 at 23:18 |
jammun wrote:
Yo, anyone, did Jamerson play bass on I Want You Back and ABC? That would account for the level of difficulty. |
Yes, James Jamerson played on almost everything that the Motown label put out back then, including the Jackson 5. As for the original question of the thread, Michael Jackson absolutely had no effect on progressive rock, but any musician or producer worth their salt should be influenced by, or at least have a deep appreciation for the brilliant Quincy Jones, who produced much of his solo work.
Edited by jplanet - June 27 2009 at 23:19
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