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Posted: August 02 2009 at 17:00
The only seventies progressive rock band I do not like is The Enid. They were unbelievably bad live. I do not know what their albums are like and I do not think I could face them. Perhaps they were never really progressive anyway. I also do not like the indie/emo stuff that is being passed off as progressive, ie. Radiohead, Lemonheads, Knobheads, etc.
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Posted: July 30 2009 at 14:38
The Flower Kings - can't explain why, don't think I particularly like the vocals and the music sounds too 'clean' for my liking. Don't dislike them, but can't get into them as much as a lot of other bands.
On a related issue, I definitely think I prefer The Tangent when they're grooving out on a long instrumental break, rather than when listening to their lyrical sections.
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Any idea which album of Gentle Giant is the best to start with ? Which is the best buy. I know that in general, this band has many followers, I've listened few songs on different prog internet radios, and also mp3 stream, but by far, no album. And I wasn't even so captured by their sound.
Are they somehow hard to listen for newcomers ? I caught VDGG wave very soon and "Undercover Man" is one of my most favourite songs. Even his voice is sometimes, well, agressively nailing. No offense though.
Nice Garfield comic by the way. We all love Cthulhu, right ?
There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
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Posted: July 27 2009 at 04:54
In my experience more people have heard of Gentle Giant than have heard of VdGG, could be that GG just had more "casual fans" at the height of their popularity though.
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Posted: July 27 2009 at 04:49
Toaster Mantis wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
It is quite interesting that many people who say they can't get into VdGG also say they can't get into Gentle Giant, and I think there is some reason behind that. Both are very complex (there are not many bands which regularly use true polyphony), and the riff structures of them are very much alike. Just compare the riffs of "Alucard" and "Scorched Earth", and you will know what I mean.
That's pretty weird since (I get the impression that) Gentle Giant are much more popular.
Maybe they are, though I actually doubt it; there are a lot of VdGG fans here, and there are several VdGG albums in the top fifty, but none of Gentle Giant (at least none I can recall).. Some people may have problems with Hammill's voice, especially lovers of symphonic thread, who seem to have a tendency to want their voices beautiful all the time, and VdGG certainly is not the band for that, though Hammill can and often does sing absolutely beautifully; the thing with Hammill is that his lyrics are often about anger, fear, hate and other negative emotions, and I'd rather have a singer that can convey these emotions than a singer that sings of them beautifully. But there are a lot of comments in this thread:indeed where people said that both GG and VdGG are bands they can't get into.
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Posted: July 27 2009 at 04:26
BaldFriede wrote:
It is quite interesting that many people who say they can't get into VdGG also say they can't get into Gentle Giant, and I think there is some reason behind that. Both are very complex (there are not many bands which regularly use true polyphony), and the riff structures of them are very much alike. Just compare the riffs of "Alucard" and "Scorched Earth", and you will know what I mean.
That's pretty weird since (I get the impression that) Gentle Giant are much more popular.
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Posted: July 27 2009 at 03:27
It is quite interesting that many people who say they can't get into VdGG also say they can't get into Gentle Giant, and I think there is some reason behind that. Both are very complex (there are not many bands which regularly use true polyphony), and the riff structures of them are very much alike. Just compare the riffs of "Alucard" and "Scorched Earth", and you will know what I mean.
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Posted: July 26 2009 at 19:25
boo boo wrote:
But there are some I can't understand the appeal of, namely Kansas and Mike Oldfield, both are insanely popular down in these parts.
'70s Kansas is great; after that, it's a "YMMV" issue. I like Mike's first three albums. After that, things get sketchy.
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And a lot of the neo prog stuff from the 80s and early 90s. I'll never get all the Marillion hype, to me they just sound like a poor imitation of late 70s Collins era Genesis but with David Gilmour instead of Steve Hackett.
That's why I always point people to Twelfth Night's Fact & Fiction, for something different!
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Dream Theater are in my opinion a complete insult to what prog rock is actually about, talk about a total w**kfest. And I'm saying that as an ELP fan for god's sake.
I agree. I do like DT's first couple albums, because the w**k factor had yet to be cranked to "11" and they wrote a lot of really good honest-to-goodness SONGS on WDaDU and I&W.
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 17:22
I'm not a Marillion fan (nor DT for that matter), but maybe this will get its hooks in you:
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 17:11
I dig most if not all of the big 70s prog bands.
But there are some I can't understand the appeal of, namely Kansas and Mike Oldfield, both are insanely popular down in these parts.
And a lot of the neo prog stuff from the 80s and early 90s. I'll never get all the Marillion hype, to me they just sound like a poor imitation of late 70s Collins era Genesis but with David Gilmour instead of Steve Hackett.
Dream Theater are in my opinion a complete insult to what prog rock is actually about, talk about a total w**kfest. And I'm saying that as an ELP fan for god's sake.
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