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Mr ProgFreak 
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someone_else
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Posted: January 05 2010 at 04:15 |
I'm not religious at all, and as far as I am, I hope to be delivered from it one day.
Anyway, the third option fits me the best: I am a christian and I take the Bible seriously.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: January 05 2010 at 03:12 |
 The Pessimist wrote:
I believe life is too short to be worrying about these things. Go out there, do good and have a great f**king time while you're doing it, helping the human race along the best you can. People can spend years thinking about this kind of thing, but to me it's just a waste of valuable time, because nobody actually cares. No decent person would think any less of you whether you are Atheist, Theist or believe that humanity was born from custard. Therefore, the only person that REALLY gives a toss about what you believe in is you, and to me, that causes way too much mental stress. Let's all just drink, have sex, laugh and help the needy like we've always done *raises pint glass*. I'd rather die happy and ignorant than die worrying if there is a heaven or not.
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Seriously, this man speaks the truth. I don't think I could spend hours pondering that sort of things when I have guitars to be played, friends to hang out with, pubs to go to, films to watch, music to listen to, music to write and history to read about.
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clarke2001
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Posted: January 05 2010 at 03:02 |
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I realized that asking someone 'is there god or not', 'do you believe in divinity or not' is a WRONG question. It's about semantics.
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Marty McFly
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Posted: January 05 2010 at 02:42 |
Therefore, I would rather choose another question - I practically never had chance to be believer (and OK, don't regret it, exactly as anyone who was taught opposite way in childhood - to believe), so for me it's not just scientific evidence.
For me it's like (G)god, huh ? What are you talking about.
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Marty McFly
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Posted: January 05 2010 at 02:39 |
Actually, till I went here to this forum, I never believed that this religion thing is something big. I've never encountered (in my real life) anyone who believes (intentionally).
People are probably hiding it or someone. That's how it should be, it's private thing after all, right ?
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my
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FusionKing
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Posted: January 04 2010 at 22:27 |
How do I answer this? I am not religious, I don't believe in any gods or mystycism. However, most of my beliefs about life, the universe and everything are based on quantum theory, which although in a technical sense is a science, it is at odds with your final option on the poll. This is because of the part about ...*only* scientific evidence accounts.
'Evidence accounts' implies the use of observation and measurement in order to gain a definate answer, BUT quantum theory states that nothing can be accurately measured and some things cannot be observed thus there is no definate answer to anything so I can't vote in your poll!  
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Tsevir Leirbag
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Posted: January 04 2010 at 22:22 |
I don't believe in God. I really don't believe in God.
God belives in me  |
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Les mains, les pieds balancés
Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers,
Un marin mort,
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JJLehto
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Posted: January 04 2010 at 21:15 |
ANOTHER religious poll by Mike!?!? GOD DAMN IT!  But seriously, again man? Anyway, I may be wrong...but Im pretty sure I've always been respectful of these discussions. Sure I use the terms "religious, deist, atheist" all that junk but makes it easier. I pride myself on being open minded and fair, but hey I have no idea how I am in reality. I'd say I fall under not religious but embrace spirituality and mysticism. To be fair I also fall under "in paper but dont believe" since I am technically still on the books as a catholic but havnt gone in 8 years, and dont believe in in at all. I dont know, really the only belief I am 100% sure of without a question of a doubt is, I hate people.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: January 04 2010 at 19:28 |
The Pessimist wrote:
I believe life is too short to be worrying about these things. Go out there, do good and have a great f**king time while you're doing it, helping the human race along the best you can. People can spend years thinking about this kind of thing, but to me it's just a waste of valuable time, because nobody actually cares. No decent person would think any less of you whether you are Atheist, Theist or believe that humanity was born from custard. Therefore, the only person that REALLY gives a toss about what you believe in is you, and to me, that causes way too much mental stress. Let's all just drink, have sex, laugh and help the needy like we've always done *raises pipnt glass*. I'd rather die happy and ignorant than die worrying if there is a heaven or not.
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Well, let's be glad that you and I are in such a situation right now. But let's also not forget that there are many places in this world where people are not so fortunate. Edit: But maybe I'm being too gloomy here ... I'll have a drink and listen to some nice music. Not Neal Morse though ...
Edited by Mr ProgFreak - January 04 2010 at 19:29
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: January 04 2010 at 19:24 |
Dean wrote:
No 8: I'm totally rational and will accept theoretical and well as empirical evidence. |
I changed "empirical" to "scientific" ... I hope that pleases everyone.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: January 04 2010 at 19:22 |
The T wrote:
I'm not totally rational. Neither am I religious. At least not as religious as you are good Mike. You are starting to look like you fit perfectly in option number 2 (I assume you reject violence....)
By the way, how can we call an atheist crusade? A rationade? Atheade? gatorade? Because this is what this is...
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Well, so far in this thread I pretty much only posted that Sam Harris video, which is even critical of Atheism as a sort of movement or quasi-religion, and then stated which option I voted for. Can you really compare this to a crusade?
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Dean
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Posted: January 04 2010 at 19:01 |
No 8: I'm totally rational and will accept theoretical and well as empirical evidence.
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What?
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Citizen Erased
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Posted: January 04 2010 at 18:51 |
The T wrote:
I'm not totally rational. Neither am I religious. At least not as religious as you are good Mike. You are starting to look like you fit perfectly in option number 2 (I assume you reject violence....)
By the way, how can we call an atheist crusade? A rationade? Atheade? gatorade? Because this is what this is...
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Pretentiousade?
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And lo, the mighty riffage was played and it was good
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Citizen Erased
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Posted: January 04 2010 at 18:51 |
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I'm religious by tradition and general message I voted.
Not that I don't take the bible seriously. There's parts of it that I still need to understand though.
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And lo, the mighty riffage was played and it was good
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The Pessimist
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Posted: January 04 2010 at 18:49 |
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I believe life is too short to be worrying about these things. Go out there, do good and have a great f**king time while you're doing it, helping the human race along the best you can. People can spend years thinking about this kind of thing, but to me it's just a waste of valuable time, because nobody actually cares. No decent person would think any less of you whether you are Atheist, Theist or believe that humanity was born from custard. Therefore, the only person that REALLY gives a toss about what you believe in is you, and to me, that causes way too much mental stress. Let's all just drink, have sex, laugh and help the needy like we've always done *raises pipnt glass*. I'd rather die happy and ignorant than die worrying if there is a heaven or not.
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The T
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Posted: January 04 2010 at 18:10 |
I'm not totally rational. Neither am I religious. At least not as religious as you are good Mike. You are starting to look like you fit perfectly in option number 2 (I assume you reject violence....)
By the way, how can we call an atheist crusade? A rationade? Atheade? gatorade? Because this is what this is...
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A Person
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Posted: January 04 2010 at 17:58 |
The Doctor wrote:
I have to say I'm a little afraid of the one who voted fundamentalist condoning violence. We should hunt him down and beat him with wrenches (or maybe just let the wenches beat him with wrenches).  |
It sounds brilliant. At least we now know who voted for it.
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Epignosis
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Posted: January 04 2010 at 17:26 |
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Of course I can't say I think the poll is fair at the outset. If I believe in the Bible I'm apparently not rational. 
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You are if you regard of the Bible as "empirical evidence". This would be a tangent for all the other discussions we already had ... if you like you can think of yourself as simply smarter than those who are merely rational.
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Nah- I wouldn't be so presumptuous.  Anyway, pizza's here. 
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The Doctor
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Posted: January 04 2010 at 17:22 |
I have to say I'm a little afraid of the one who voted fundamentalist condoning violence. We should hunt him down and beat him with wrenches (or maybe just let the wenches beat him with wrenches).
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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