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snobb
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Posted: March 04 2010 at 15:03 |
angelmk wrote:
Although i like Katatonia a lot , i cannot say it is progressive, maybe little hits of prog here and there but not sufficient enough to be added here. I get some feeling that everyone tries to push his favourite band in PA. i saw the progfreak charts UMUR displayed in the few posts above , and i saw Kreator suggested for PA, non sense, also Green Day for PA - hilarious, also Lacuna Coil, Machine Head and countless other rejected, for god sake people, lets add any band related to rock and metal here, so we gonna have rock/metal archives then, no need to waist our time seeking for progressiveness, we will avoid just acts like Britney Spears and the likes, unless someone says they are prog |
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sleeper
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Posted: March 04 2010 at 17:37 |
angelmk wrote:
Although i like Katatonia a lot , i cannot say it is progressive, maybe little hits of prog here and there but not sufficient enough to be added here. I get some feeling that everyone tries to push his favourite band in PA. i saw the progfreak charts UMUR displayed in the few posts above , and i saw Kreator suggested for PA, non sense, also Green Day for PA - hilarious, also Lacuna Coil, Machine Head and countless other rejected, for god sake people, lets add any band related to rock and metal here, so we gonna have rock/metal archives then, no need to waist our time seeking for progressiveness, we will avoid just acts like Britney Spears and the likes, unless someone says they are prog |
As I remember it the early days of the PMT saw several bands voted on an rejected just to prove they wouldnt let any old metal in, hence Evernesance and Lacuna Coil.
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Kashmir75
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Posted: March 04 2010 at 20:56 |
Well, just to throw some fuel on the fire, Green Day's American Idiot was about as Tommy esque conceptual rock opera as its possible to get for a modern mainstream rock band. I can see why folks might think its prog
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(De)progressive
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Posted: April 14 2010 at 09:41 |
angelmk wrote:
UMUR wrote:
Come on angel that isnīt fair! Youīre doing the exact same thing as the Camel dude above my last post which is to imply that people here want to add Katatonia because they like Katatoniaīs music. And as I said above that is completely irrelevant. The people in this thread who would like to see Katatonia added to PA want to see Katatonia added because they feel they are progressive and have a place here.
Itīs up to those believers to create a strong enough case to convince the non-believers ( man I love those religious terms LOL). As I implied above it will likely fail, but who knows if they havenīt tried? |
UMUR, i wasn't implying on Katatonia exactly, a was more infuriated by people who just suggest some obvious non-prog bands here, and by accedent i unleashed my rage here on Katatonia thread. As far as i am concerned Katatonia has some prog moments for sure. i will support Negoba here, if we add Katatonia, then we also open the door for loads of bands similar to Katatonia, for example Sentenced, Autumnblaze, Nox Mortis, Swallow the Sun,Novembers Doom, Lifelover, and that is some vicious circle , many non prog bands could enter the archives .. |
Actually Novembers Doom and Lifelover has some prog elements even if not they have sure a progressive music style. (IMO)
And you should think the opposite, maybe there are lots of bands in PA that are really not that progressive and there are some bands that had been rejected or removed unfairly although they have enough prog elements in them.
Edited by (De)progressive - April 14 2010 at 09:43
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Conor Fynes
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Posted: April 26 2010 at 13:24 |
You left out the only genre I think they would properly fit into! Experimental/Post... especially considering Anathema is already in there and they basically have very similar career paths.
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dude1
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 22:25 |
I think Katatonia should definitely have a page on PA. I think they'd fit perfectly in the Experimental/Post-metal subgenre. Now I wouldn't actually call Katatonia "prog", but they are continously experimenting with the blending of styles in their music. They really aren't a progressive rock outfit, but they are definitely progressive in their own right. If bands like Deadsoul Tribe and Anathema are included on this website, then I believe Katatonia should DEFINITELY be on board as well. For those who have not heard it yet, Night is the New Day is very progressive in this aspect. And listening to all their albums chronologically will show the progression of the band unfolding from album to album.
...And I do believe that over the years the word "prog" has increasingly become a broader, looser term.
But, again, I strongly believe that Katatonia deserves a spot in the Experimental/post-metal group, hands down. So I voted for "Other"!
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Citizen Erased
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Posted: June 11 2010 at 17:49 |
Experimental/Post-Metal is indeed Katatonia's place I think.
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Conor Fynes
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Posted: June 13 2010 at 01:05 |
...so it's settled then??
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TheClosing
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Posted: June 20 2010 at 05:30 |
Been a fan of the clean vocal material for quite some time; however, I don't think they belong here. Not sure why Anathema is here either, but whatever.
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katatonia
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Posted: October 13 2013 at 09:12 |
I've always been a huge fan and tried to suggest them here.a funny guy has put metallica in here but kat not till now
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katatonia
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Posted: October 13 2013 at 09:15 |
if kat doesn't belong here then sure metallica,fates warning and some others would be outa here,frankly,metallica has a respect,but not here,I would give my best to the person who would remove it! at last,Katatonia is welcomed here,please take a look at what Frank Default has did till today
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pianoman
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Posted: October 13 2013 at 11:23 |
Look people, once the masses declare something "progressive" then it becomes prog music. Regardless of what the few "experts" or whatever define the genre as for example:
(Taken from LastFM)
Those tags are voted on by thousands of people. And the general consensus is that they are progressive metal, so therefore, it is probably appropriate (and fair for the band) for them to be included on the site. Regardless.
*Edit: wow, just realized this thread is ancient.
Edited by pianoman - October 13 2013 at 11:24
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Mellotron Storm
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Posted: October 13 2013 at 12:08 |
There's been an attempt to get them added more than once without any success. I think they belong here in Post-Metal but would be shocked if they are ever added. At least the MMA site has them and i've been slowly reviewing them over there.
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Dean
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Posted: October 13 2013 at 12:55 |
Congratualtions on raising from the grave a thread that has dead for three years. There are more recent threads you could have found using a simple search.
katatonia wrote:
if kat doesn't belong here then sure metallica,fates warning and some others would be outa here,frankly,metallica has a respect,but not here,I would give my best to the person who would remove it!
at last,Katatonia is welcomed here,please take a look at what Frank Default has did till today |
If you can put together an argument in favour of Katatonia that even approaches the kind of discussion that revolved around the addition of Metallica then I would be very surprised.
I should also point out that Metallica are in Prog Related, no one is suggesting they are or ever were a Progressive band. It has been a long time since we have ever had to state this, but I feel you have made it necessary:
Prog Related is not Prog
- please print this out in big letters and scotch-tape it to your monitor.
Katatonia do not meet any of the requirements for Prog Related, Metallica do.
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VOTOMS
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Posted: October 14 2013 at 07:40 |
Dean wrote:
Congratualtions on raising from the grave a thread that has dead for three years. There are more recent threads you could have found using a simple search.
katatonia wrote:
if kat doesn't belong here then sure metallica,fates warning and some others would be outa here,frankly,metallica has a respect,but not here,I would give my best to the person who would remove it!
at last,Katatonia is welcomed here,please take a look at what Frank Default has did till today |
If you can put together an argument in favour of Katatonia that even approaches the kind of discussion that revolved around the addition of Metallica then I would be very surprised.
I should also point out that Metallica are in Prog Related, no one is suggesting they are or ever were a Progressive band. It has been a long time since we have ever had to state this, but I feel you have made it necessary:
Prog Related is not Prog
- please print this out in big letters and scotch-tape it to your monitor.
Katatonia do not meet any of the requirements for Prog Related, Metallica do.
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I think their progressive side are clearly between post and prog metal. But I'll have to agree, Katatonia do not meet any of the requirements for prog related. But accepting Katatonia as a postmetal band in PA would really make sense. p.s. I think Megadeth should be added to the prog related as Metallica.
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Dean
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Posted: October 14 2013 at 07:56 |
VOTOMS wrote:
p.s. I think Megadeth should be added to the prog related as Metallica. |
Nope. It really, really, really doesn't work like that.
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Cristi
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Posted: October 14 2013 at 08:15 |
I don't see what's post metal about Katatonia.
Prog related would work.
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katatonia
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Posted: October 14 2013 at 11:07 |
degraving a triple years old corpse here,but Kat is more prog than many bands here,if you guys say that it should be a prog related,then why hesitation? although,I'm really sure that there's enough rooms of prog here to place Kat somewhere in
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katatonia
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Posted: October 14 2013 at 11:09 |
BTW,take a look up,in these past years,3 years,they've gone more to prog.you can check. for the love of god,I love fates warning,but isn't even as prog as Kat,but is set as prog metal here hmmm
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Dean
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Posted: October 14 2013 at 11:16 |
katatonia wrote:
degraving a triple years old corpse here,but Kat is more prog than many bands here,if you guys say that it should be a prog related,then why hesitation? although,I'm really sure that there's enough rooms of prog here to place Kat somewhere in |
Dean wrote:
Katatonia do not meet any of the requirements for Prog Related.
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katatonia wrote:
BTW,take a look up,in these past years,3 years,they've gone more to prog.you can check. for the love of god,I love fates warning,but isn't even as prog as Kat,but is set as prog metal herehmmm |
I have been buying Katatonia albums for over 15 years, I checked, they have not move more to prog, quite the reverse, [and incidentally, I do not love god]. They ain't Fates Warning, they ain't Prog Metal, they ain't Post Metal, they ain't Prog Related.
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