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AtomicCrimsonRush 
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 Posted: April 24 2010 at 11:09 |
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24 minute songs - ppl got no patience and no taste. they want radio rock in its 4 minute manufactured glory, as I said, no taste.
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halabalushindigus
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Posted: April 25 2010 at 04:07 |
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my mailbox said this topic said something else to which i would have responded "are u talking about music theory?" so her i am now atomicCrimsonRush^ you Rock!
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halabalushindigus
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Posted: April 25 2010 at 04:11 |
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the lady from singapore talking about boring Ru talkling about music theory?
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halabalushindigus
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Posted: April 25 2010 at 04:18 |
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I mean sir Irmani from singaprog. Welcome aboard!
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ProcolWho?
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Posted: April 27 2010 at 20:45 |
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Since most people are not very bright, the most popular music will , by definition, be moronic.
This is why prog, in all its incarnations , is relegated to a small minority.
Very simple explanation , no need to go farther than that.
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boo boo
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Posted: April 28 2010 at 09:35 |
I think that's kinda elitist to assume the only reason people don't like prog is because they don't have the "intellect" for it.
I think it's that kinda attitude that makes prog rock fans such a huge target for ridicule.
Edited by boo boo - April 28 2010 at 09:37
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multipdf
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Posted: April 28 2010 at 11:08 |
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Perhaps its that people are becoming so lazy so 'easy to listen to' is the best way to go. I sometimes think if I emailed 1000 people and said they could have £10,000 no questions asked - I would get few replies!!!!!
Have you noticed that some major labels promote some bands as being really 'wierd' or 'dangerous' and when it comes to it they just wear black leather and shove a load of black make-up on and hold axes or give you evil faces. (I did it for a joke on a home made video - just the faces.) When you listen to the music it is sometimes simply 'boy band songs' but with distortion.
Some music gets better with time - Magma, for example, offended me at first but now I consider them one of the most interesting bands to listen to.
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progpositivity
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Posted: April 28 2010 at 16:36 |
 boo boo wrote:
I think that's kinda elitist to assume the only reason people don't like prog is because they don't have the "intellect" for it.
I think it's that kinda attitude that makes prog rock fans such a huge target for ridicule. |
Based upon your answer, it is very clear to me that you don't have the "intellect" to fully grasp the nature of this issue.  Just Kidding! Just Kidding!
But seriously, yes, I agree with "boo boo". For example, many very intelligent people don't have the desire or patience for Prog. Some classical and jazz fanatics even view most prog rock as a little too simple and/or repetitive.
That said, however, in general, I do think one could quantify higher IQ scores among Prog Fans than the general population. The same could be said of classical fans and jazz fans as well.
Am I being elitist to suspect that? I don't think so... Obviously there is wide individual variation. After all, remember that most real-life rocket scientists have absolutely no idea who "The Rocket Scientists" are! That should send us a signal right there!
What if one made similar inferences of our intelligence based upon our taste in Literature? Most Prog Fans prefer Sci-Fi stories over Shakespeare. Many people who love the *classics* see Sci-Fi as rather low-brow in comparision. Does that mean Sci-Fi Fans are not *intelligent* enough to appreciate Shakespeare? Or could it be that we are simply less interested in it due to any number of different factors?
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ProcolWho?
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Posted: April 28 2010 at 22:36 |
Yes but are there higher IQ scores among IQ fans? 
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Hoodlum
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Posted: April 29 2010 at 18:46 |
boo boo wrote:
People have a right to their opinion but the demonization and ridiculous bias critics show against prog rock is the main reason I don't take music journalism seriously in anyway whatsoever.
I also don't really understand why so many indie kids hate on prog for being boring and drawn out while going so crazy over post rock bands who make take 2 minutes worth of music and repeat it for like 20.
Or why the big prog favorite among indie kids is Tago Mago, a double album whose second half features 30 minutes of random, directionless noise.
Why is w**king suddenly a cool thing when it's musicians who aren't particularly skilled?
When they do it, it's self expression. When someone with a lot of skill does it, it's w**kery. |
One ironic thing about the 'indie kids' is that their tastes tend to be so streamlined and uniform at times. It's like Pitchfork Media tells them everything about music and they don't develop independent choices in terms of what they actually like. Oh and by the way, Tago Mago is one of my favourite albums, and Can are an incredibly good band. Essentially, I like what I like and I don't like what I don't like. Don't care if it isn't congruent with a typical pattern of musical interest. Seriously, Can are not skilled? I'd have to disagree there. As for the actual question that this thread asks, I'd say it's because people generally don't have the time or patience to get into it, or they'd rather listen to something simpler. Which is their choice. You can't force other people into liking something they don't.
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halabalushindigus
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Posted: April 29 2010 at 19:16 |
^ This is true. One day I was on the bus going to work and was talking about a cool musical passage I'd just heard. I went on to explain how on Alien Afternoon by unowho has this streamy introduction, the BAM! that little salsa thing comes in... so she looks at me straight and says "Dude, we don't listen to that kind of music" and i was stunned..like what else kinda music is there? I mean after all, it's music isn't it? But now I realize there are a whole bunch of music genres.. But yeah just because you like something doesn't mean everyone else has to. But if I say it's good, it is 
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Progist
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Posted: April 30 2010 at 10:13 |
Bored people are usually boring people is why! 
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Hoodlum
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Posted: April 30 2010 at 10:38 |
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I'd say Tago Mago was one of the best prog albums of all time, right up there with ITCOTCK.
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sealchan
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Posted: April 30 2010 at 11:00 |
In any context if it requires more intelligence to like something then there arises the possibility that there will be elitists who appreciate that something and deride the less intelligent who don't like it. Those elitists may be right about the intelligence part but not right in acting elitist (that is calling others dumb or otherwise being arrogant).
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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Posted: April 30 2010 at 12:13 |
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Well, it seems that to most people nowadays, if a song goes more than a minute without any singing, it's automatically instrumental and boring. I find it's that many people don't have the patience to listen to prog or all they want to hear is lyrics.
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frankl
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Posted: May 02 2010 at 14:42 |
lack of a sense of creativity.
No self confidence in expanding their own horizons.
Part of the flock and only listen to what AOR/Top 40 tells them to.
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Kashmir75
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Posted: May 02 2010 at 19:13 |
ProcolWho? wrote:
Since most people are not very bright, the most popular music will , by definition, be moronic.
This is why prog, in all its incarnations , is relegated to a small minority.
Very simple explanation , no need to go farther than that.
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Someone had to say it. It sounds a little harsh, but its usually true. People don't want to have to be challenged by their music. No, they want to have the radio forcefeed them auto-tuned pablum that has been designed by some fatcat producer with no knowledge of music using a mathematical formulae to determine where all the hooks should appear.
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Kashmir75
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Posted: May 02 2010 at 19:20 |
frankl wrote:
lack of a sense of creativity.
No self confidence in expanding their own horizons.
Part of the flock and only listen to what AOR/Top 40 tells them to. |
Yeah, this is part of the problem. If more people were willing to stop listening to what the media tells them; turn off their radio and TV; and discover their own music taste, prog would be more popular.
Sadly, we live in a world where the media have a lot of power over people. They tell them how to think, what to wear, what to buy and listen to, which celebs we 'should' be paying attention to. Things like American Idol are the result of record companies trying to get their power back. Now that music is so accessible anywhere, because of downloads, the record label fatcats must have been quaking in their boots.
I think MTV was the beginning of the end for the mainstream popularity of prog, myself. If your song's over two minutes long, forget about airplay. 
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Kashmir75
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Posted: May 02 2010 at 19:25 |
DT-PT wrote:
Well, it seems that to most people nowadays, if a song goes more than a minute without any singing, it's automatically instrumental and boring. I find it's that many people don't have the patience to listen to prog or all they want to hear is lyrics. |
Yeah, when I try and play something to my brother, he keeps asking 'when do the vocals kick in?'
To me, I can perfectly enjoy music without lyrics. In fact, I look more for instrumental prowess than singing in my music. A great singer is icing on an already great cake.
If you think about it, most pop fans only really know who the singer in a group is. The singer is the frontman or woman, so they represent the group. Good luck trying to get them to tell you who the drummer or bass player is. I find that only people who are serious about their music seem to know or care about other members in a band.
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Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
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Dellinger
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Posted: May 02 2010 at 22:40 |
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^ And what's even more ironic is that very often pop singers aren't even that good singers, and almost by rule their lyrics are completly useless.
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