Tony Williams vs. Carl Palmer |
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Logan
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Topic: Tony Williams vs. Carl Palmer Posted: May 06 2010 at 14:25 |
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Let's see how this one goes.
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SaltyJon
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 14:26 | |
Tony for me. Who are you going to be putting up against Greg Lake next?
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clotomic
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 14:52 | |
Carl Palmer de manera indiscutible!!!
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Alberto Muņoz
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 15:17 | |
De manera indiscutible????
How it seems that sometimes people don't know who was Tony Williams...
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clotomic
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 15:19 | |
I like Tony Williams. I have several albums of him. It's great ... but Carl is Carl friend ... no more!
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Mellotron Storm
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 15:21 | |
Lets go with Jannick Top.
Yeah Tony for sure. |
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Logan
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 15:22 | |
^ Much as I love Top (and Paganotti), I won't.
You figured out my cunning plan! I'd really like to put Charles Mingus up against Greg Lake (two very different kinds of bassists), but I don't think I will. Dave Holland for his double-bass work might be cool too. Definitely not Jaco Pastorius, though at least he'd have a chance, and Miroslav Vitous would be a nice choice. I lean towards doing Buster Williams or Ron Carter (they formed a two-bass group at one time). Edited by Logan - May 06 2010 at 15:24 |
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Just a music fan passing through trying to fill some void. Various music I am into now: a youtube playlist
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Alberto Muņoz
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 15:25 | |
Or Barre Phillips
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Alberto Muņoz
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 15:26 | |
How many albums do you have from Tony??
I'm eager to know
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mohaveman
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 16:14 | |
Palmer
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ssuarez
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 16:42 | |
Master Tony.....
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 16:56 | |
I was thinking of answering Jon's question with Miroslav Vitous before I read your post He would be a good third element of this grand scheme because just like Herbie and Tony he was a jazz musician involved in important, seminal Fusion projects. But he's not as famous and widely known like the other two. I have yet to hear any music featuring Tony Williams, so I won't vote. What would a Hancock-Vitous-Williams trio would have sounded like? |
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Catcher10
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 17:10 | |
Hey .....no fair! This was a very difficult one....Tony is amazing performer and left a true mark on jazz drumming.....I just had to pick Carl though, I think he is so under appreciated but this poll brings much awareness to Carl's musicianship. Nice one....FINALLY!
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deafmoon
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 20:29 | |
Really interesting pit here.
Carl is classically trained and could play orchestral percussion. Tony studied piano and composition and the last 7 albums of his career were absolutely tremendous. Not only from a drumming standpoint, but from a composition standpoint of the music as well.
Carl Palmer was a rudimental fanatic and that precison showed in his playing.
Tony was also a rudimental master and showcased these building blocks with unbelievable skill. His dynamics with the rudiments was staggerring. Flams, effortless singles and doubles, and double and triple paradiddles that he worked into time patterns between all four limbs.
He was also an innovator on the hi hat in time as well. No one before Tony was clamoring straight eights in Jazz before him.
Tony was young, impressionistic, brash and freakin' loud! And that's why he was Miles Davis drummer at the age of 17. He blew doors down. He played really big drums after his first Lifetime career with John McLaughlin and Jack Bruce. He first introduced my ears to Allan Holdsworth back in 1976. And he was the only drummer I ever heard compliment Cecil Taylor's wild antics on the piano to a fevered frenzy of complexity. Check out Eris on Joy Of Flying.
Carl was an early hero of mine and was admired by many, many musicians across all genres. Buddy Rich even stated that he thought Carl Palmer was a special drummer admiring him for his speed, comping ability and taste.
But Carl just wasn't Tony Williams. In fact no one ever was or ever will be. He was One Of A Kind.
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Dellinger
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 22:22 | |
But then you would have to do 2 polls for Lake, one for the bass and another one for the vocals. |
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 22:24 | |
is Tony Williams the one who played with Miles Davis?
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Mellotron Storm
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 22:27 | |
Yup |
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"The wind is slowly tearing her apart"
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 22:32 | |
Oh him without a doubt then
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Kazuhiro
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 22:32 | |
I go to Tony Williams as a result. Especially, it is felt that the album of Lifetime is good. Or, competing with Jan Hammer was a good performance. |
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Syzygy
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Posted: May 07 2010 at 04:33 | |
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