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Points: 6802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2010 at 17:38
Originally posted by cobb2 cobb2 wrote:

Should have stuck with the original term Art Rock
 
Since you have talked a lot about the current topic I have to step on this kind of "terms"...
 
Again, music is art. rock is music. Then, that concept of "Art Rock" is basically "art-art"... why people uses that term... is not accurate, because most of the different genres and sub genres are actually art, so, please, stop saying "Art Rock" because rock have always been Art... of course, with a little exceptions but you get what I mean...
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Points: 4338 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2010 at 17:53
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I agree with Ivan as AOR was an industry term to describe the FM/AM format difference.  It was also a major reason for the heavy experimentation that went on in the late 60's to early 70's that was progressive rock's best friend.  It created an outlet for the longer songs to be heard. It wasn't until the ratings shifted sharply from AM to FM that radio execs decided to tighten up the format in order to get maximum advertising dollars.  This was done in full agreement with the labels in order for them to pigeon hole artists into strict formats. By 1975 the landscape had changed dramatically here in the States from what it was in the late 60's..   


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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2010 at 17:57
Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Originally posted by cobb2 cobb2 wrote:

Should have stuck with the original term Art Rock
 
Since you have talked a lot about the current topic I have to step on this kind of "terms"...
 
Again, music is art. rock is music. Then, that concept of "Art Rock" is basically "art-art"... why people uses that term... is not accurate, because most of the different genres and sub genres are actually art, so, please, stop saying "Art Rock" because rock have always been Art... of course, with a little exceptions but you get what I mean...
Music is divided into three ... folk music, art music and popular music. Art Music is generally accepted to the "serious" or "erudite" side of music, for example the kind of music that is commonly known as Classical Music. Rock and Jazz are forms of Popular Music, but when it gets "serious" and technical, some forms of Jazz are considered to be Art Music. In musicologist circles Rock music has not achived that status, but the term Art Rock has been used to bridge the gap between Popular Music and Art Music.
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Points: 1072 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2010 at 18:13
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Originally posted by cobb2 cobb2 wrote:

Should have stuck with the original term Art Rock
 
Since you have talked a lot about the current topic I have to step on this kind of "terms"...
 
Again, music is art. rock is music. Then, that concept of "Art Rock" is basically "art-art"... why people uses that term... is not accurate, because most of the different genres and sub genres are actually art, so, please, stop saying "Art Rock" because rock have always been Art... of course, with a little exceptions but you get what I mean...
Music is divided into three ... folk music, art music and popular music. Art Music is generally accepted to the "serious" or "erudite" side of music, for example the kind of music that is commonly known as Classical Music. Rock and Jazz are forms of Popular Music, but when it gets "serious" and technical, some forms of Jazz are considered to be Art Music. In musicologist circles Rock music has not achived that status, but the term Art Rock has been used to bridge the gap between Popular Music and Art Music.


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Yes but obviously Prog is so heavily indebted to Popular Music - and we are talking Pop - that it is almost incapable of being truly Art Music. Even what I consider to be the finest Prog- Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis.... they are based overwhelming or at least indirectly in the best cases- in pop music. Some things sound a little like classical symphonies, Yes in the mid 70s, for example, but this isn't necessarily the main point of Prog Rock. Prog Rock is mean't to build on pop, challenge it, but it is not a completely different type of music. AOR for instance, is a complete degeneration of Classic Rock back to Pop.  On th other hand, who wants to listen to noise collages and experimental jazz-like or lyricless symphonic bullsh*t? Its related to Prog, sure, but its not the vanguard of Prog music, and couldn't be. You can't have completely non-pop based Prog, at that point it is just Avant-Garde.
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2010 at 18:21
Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Originally posted by cobb2 cobb2 wrote:

Should have stuck with the original term Art Rock
 
Since you have talked a lot about the current topic I have to step on this kind of "terms"...
 
Again, music is art. rock is music. Then, that concept of "Art Rock" is basically "art-art"... why people uses that term... is not accurate, because most of the different genres and sub genres are actually art, so, please, stop saying "Art Rock" because rock have always been Art... of course, with a little exceptions but you get what I mean...
Music is divided into three ... folk music, art music and popular music. Art Music is generally accepted to the "serious" or "erudite" side of music, for example the kind of music that is commonly known as Classical Music. Rock and Jazz are forms of Popular Music, but when it gets "serious" and technical, some forms of Jazz are considered to be Art Music. In musicologist circles Rock music has not achived that status, but the term Art Rock has been used to bridge the gap between Popular Music and Art Music.


hmmm... that was greatThumbs Up

Yes but obviously Prog is so heavily indebted to Popular Music - and we are talking Pop - that it is almost incapable of being truly Art Music. Even what I consider to be the finest Prog- Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis.... they are based overwhelming or at least indirectly in the best cases- in pop music. Some things sound a little like classical symphonies, Yes in the mid 70s, for example, but this isn't necessarily the main point of Prog Rock. Prog Rock is mean't to build on pop, challenge it, but it is not a completely different type of music. AOR for instance, is a complete degeneration of Classic Rock back to Pop.  On th other hand, who wants to listen to noise collages and experimental jazz-like or lyricless symphonic bullsh*t? Its related to Prog, sure, but its not the vanguard of Prog music, and couldn't be. You can't have completely non-pop based Prog, at that point it is just Avant-Garde.
Kind of. Avant Garde (such as Stockhausen and John Cage) was never Pop and isn't derived from Popular Music - it is pure Art Music. When Prog Rock gets all Avant Garde it is coming from the Rock direction and incorporating some avant garde elements, but it still has to be Rock to be considered Avant Garde Prog on this site at least.  (vanguard and avant garde mean the same thing)
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