Is 70's prog a nostalgia thing?

boo boo wrote: Nightshine wrote: boo boo wrote: Nightshine wrote: New prog is an ignorance thing.   How so?   If anything the new prog movement is the best thing to happen to prog in a long time, because unlike the neo prog movement it's not COMPLETELY derivative of the 70s prog bands, it takes after more modern influences as well. Artists like The Mars Volta, Porcupine Tree, Muse, Coheed, etc are bands who embrace influences outside of prog and thus the more uptight prog fans don't want to acknowledge them as even remotely prog. It doesn't matter that they acknowledge groups like KC, Genesis and Yes as major influences. They're also influenced by hard rock, pop, electronic and even punk music. And we can't taint the topographic oceans of prog with such evil now can we?   Prog and progressive are two completely different words at this point. Some of the most progressive bands going right now aren't considered prog at all. By "ignorance", I mean ignorance to the word progressive.  They sap up so much influence that most of these bands don't progress at all, namely the bands of which you have listed.  As much as I like some of those bands, they've began to evolve into such a way that I would like to dub bands like that "regressive rock", with Dream Theater as the poster boys.   What are you talking about? Pretty much every PT and TMV album has differences in style and sound. PT have evolved a lot over the years.    Muse are prog pop IMO. And yes unlike a lot of proggies I don't think those two words are mutually exclusive. I know I'm committing heresy here, I better watch my back.

Differentiation from the self is cool.  However, differentiation from everything else is the main point.  You have to keep moving forward in order to keep music progressing.  Hell, more bands that I listen to which aren't on this site are moving forward so much faster than the bands that I do see on this site.  The Mars Volta are sapping up influence with each new release, as are Muse and Porcupine Tree...and even the 70s band did/are doing the exact same thing.


In fact, to make my statement even clearer, I will say something bold:


The Protomen are more progressive than Dream Theater, Porcupine Tree, or any popular band on this website as of the current moment of activity.


Now watch as all the veterans of the website flock on this post and begin their counterpoints in tons of paragraphs of which nobody will read.

CinemaZebra wrote: King By-Tor wrote: I'm 22 and I say that music from the 70s/80s is, in large, better than what we get today. So no. This, except I'm 14.

jplanet wrote: Most fans of any given genre are fans of a given sound, not an approach. Bands that recall the sound of 70's prog bands are fulfilling the sound of the genre. It is tough to expect people to flock to an approach to making music, as with a progressive approach, that means everything will always sound different, and therefore never settle on any sound.

This is a good point and sums up why I don't enjoy current bands trying to play in the 70s style.  It is the compositional wizardry that blew me away when I got into prog.  The point of most of the recent big prog names seems to be something other than that, at least that's my impression. Even if I did hear interesting things here and there, by and large it didn't capture my imagination. 

Is weird but it seems that the younger the people the more nostalgic they are, and is extrange precisely because they didnt live that era!! So is being nostalgic of something you didnt and cant not live.

We can close this discussion quite clearly right here right now:


Yes, 70s prog is a nostalgia thing.



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Lizzy wrote: himtroy wrote: Not nostalgia, it's just simply better in 9/10 situations. This! Besides, nostalgia is for those who have actually been there. Wish I were and now be a looney granny who tells stories about smuggling prog records in the country from former Yugoslavia of West Germany right under the nose of the communist regime. Edit: Whoops! Missed the above post.

I don't think you caught on fast enough >_>

Lizzy wrote: Wish I were and now be a looney granny who tells stories about smuggling prog records in the country from former Yugoslavia of West Germany right under the nose of the communist regime.

The-time-is-now wrote: CinemaZebra wrote: King By-Tor wrote: I'm 22 and I say that music from the 70s/80s is, in large, better than what we get today. So no. This, except I'm 14. I'm 21 and this post is exactly what I think. Thanks !

ditto! and i am 26
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with some exceptions of the Swedish third wave of prog.

my band Welcome to the Machine are recording an album right now that is just pretending the 70s never ended!!!! its the only way we can write music and it doesnt feel like nostalgia

I find the production of albums from the late 60's through the 70's very pleasing. The early experiments with stereo, the warmth of the analogue environment, the spontaneity of the compositions, experimenting with synths/mellotrons/new electronic instruments etc all make for a superb listening experience imo. The digital revolution of the 80's made things far too sterile and clinical sounding, along with the general decline in the style of music I enjoy so much, due in part to the continued fragmentation of music into metal/dance/pop/rock/whatever. It' no nostalgia for me, just the enjoyment of excellent music.