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The-time-is-now
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Posted: June 25 2010 at 04:39 |
rogerthat wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
If you are a younger person exploring the music of that era, I don't think it can be by definition, just appreciation for some good stuff.
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This too.
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Right. I'm 21, I enjoy seventies. 
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octopus-4
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Posted: June 25 2010 at 02:58 |
For those who, like me, were around in the 70s, the coming of the 80s has been a tragedy. Rock bands like Led Zeppelin replaced by Sex Pistols, Beatles/Stones replaced by Duran/Spandau. Also the disco became worse than previously. Prog bands disbanded, disappeared or tried to modify their sound to the new-wave standards by using the fairlight and electronic drums wherever possible. This affected between the others, Rick Wright, Camel and Yes. And forget what Genesis did in the 80s.
More than nostalgia for the 70s I feel regret for the waste of vinyl and plastics of the 80s. This has caused a disconnection so that we now have a genre called neo-prog. A replacement instead of an evolution. It's not the 70s that are missed, we have missed the 80s and the following 20 years have been spent trying to restore the taste for non-commercial music.
This is simply my personal opinion: it's just how I lived it.
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 25 2010 at 02:45 |
Atavachron wrote:
right-- I loved bands when I was young that were around before I was born, so it wasn't nostalgia
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Exactly, I wasn't into Western music as a kid but I didn't like the contemporary fare and drifted towards older stuff because I found something to like in it.
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Atavachron
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Posted: June 25 2010 at 02:43 |
rogerthat wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
If you are a younger person exploring the music of that era, I don't think it can be by definition, just appreciation for some good stuff.
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This too.
Would people say someone who appreciates Brubeck, Coltrane or Davis is
necessarily a nostalgic for old jazz music...it may be that the
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right-- I loved bands when I was young that were around before I was born, so it wasn't nostalgia
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 25 2010 at 02:24 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
If you are a younger person exploring the music of that era, I don't think it can be by definition, just appreciation for some good stuff.
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This too.
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 25 2010 at 02:23 |
Atavachron wrote:
Well I just bought a 2007 release from one of the 'quality new prog bands' brought to us by the Metal Mind label, and it may be the last thing I get from this ilk for awhile.. you know the type; a decent, well-produced band that otherwise probably wouldn't be able to professionally distribute their CD-- sounds like a good idea, but I just threw away $10 on a very mediocre product (that would've been twice that if I'd not got it used)
My point? Not sure myself, but I know I'm now quite put-off this 'brand' (if you will, and you can add InsideOut to that list) of modern Prog. Maybe Transatlantic will be better, I've heard good things about them ...
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I didn't particularly dig SMPTe, if I got the sequence of alphabets right. It was not a bad album but there was no sense of discovery in the music for me. A very professional, competently put together prog album but if liking SEBTP more than an album like this makes me a nostalgic for prog, I don't know what to say.  Perhaps, a bit part of calling 70s prog a nostalgia thing is a reluctance to accept that there may have been some music from the past better than some music of today, it's as simple as that. There may be some other really exciting scene today - Jamiroquai may have opened some modern doors for me, personally - but the listener may not get around to it...which is not hard considering how scattered and vast the music scene as such is today. Would people say someone who appreciates Brubeck, Coltrane or Davis is necessarily a nostalgic for old jazz music...it may be that the listener found something great in those artists? And by the way, is 70s prog just supposed to be symphonic prog? What about Krautrock, Canterbury, Zeuhl? Unless you've actually lived in that era, it's a bit hard to get nostalgic for all three (and/or symphonic!) because they couldn't be more unlike each other.
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 22:22 |
To answer the OP question....quite definitely no!
That era of music is of such high quality that it is timeless, classic and therefore does not age. Nostalgia apllies to millions of things, first taste of peanut butter, first album whilst sowing your oats for the first time, holidays etc.
I live the 70's era music in the NOW everyday and whilst i recognise it is from a different decade it creates new experiences each time you listen to it. Most of it anyway. Mozart is very relevent today too, just my lifespan won't deliver a nostalgic revisit to it 
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rod65
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 19:44 |
Reggy wrote:
The problem is that the Neo prog is just an nemesis of the 70's. There are no neoprog unless the term of "prog" detached from 70's. IQ, Flower Kings, Thriumvirat, Kayak, Van De Graff, etc those are trying to imitate the 70's. 70's Progressive is finished when Gabriel left Genesis, or Anderson sings "Owner of Lonely Hearts ..........TheNeo is not progs, but the evolution and metamorphosis..........
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Hi, Reggy:
Are we perhaps being a little dismissive here? While I agree with you that Neo-Prog has its roots in 70s Synth Prog--no way to dispute that, really--I would argue most strenuously that there is a huge difference between informed influence and slavish imitation. I'm thinking of IQ at the moment, but any number of other Neo-Prog bands might serve as examples as well. Specifically, I might suggest an experiment--one that I've done, myself. First, listen to their epic "Last Human Gateway" from their 1984 debut. Then, listen to "Harvest of Souls," the epic from 2004's Dark Matter. In both, I expect that you will hear echoes of "Supper's Ready," but to my ear at least, the pieces are completely different in their treatment of both that and other earlier material. in 1984, yes, they were pretty imitatative, though in a most enjoyable way as far as I'm concerned. By 2004--actually, I think by 1985 with The Wake, but I'm digressing--they have established their own identity. They are not imitating: they are responding, and doing so in some pretty interesting ways.
Maybe I've gone on too long. Main point: there is no creation ex nihilo, and no shame in acknowledging your influences.
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Atavachron
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 17:08 |
Well I just bought a 2007 release from one of the 'quality new prog bands' brought to us by the Metal Mind label, and it may be the last thing I get from this ilk for awhile.. you know the type; a decent, well-produced band that otherwise probably wouldn't be able to professionally distribute their CD-- sounds like a good idea, but I just threw away $10 on a very mediocre product (that would've been twice that if I'd not got it used)
My point? Not sure myself, but I know I'm now quite put-off this 'brand' (if you will, and you can add InsideOut to that list) of modern Prog. Maybe Transatlantic will be better, I've heard good things about them ...
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Reggy
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 16:49 |
Yayaya, but listen the tune...is it Yes.........nope !...prog always unpredicted..."Owner " is Yes turns Pops. The 70's is really prog, the rest.......they are just mix...:))))
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trackstoni
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 15:56 |
I'm 57 years old , i've been through a lot of Ups & Downs in my life . I Really like Prog music Cause I've lived it . Times were different Yes ! Technologies were Different Yes ! Moods were different , no !!! Progressive Music of the 60's - 70's had more recognition from youngers than from us . But as someone says in this forum << It's only a Nostalgia if you've been There !! >>
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rdtprog
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 15:43 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
From dictionary.com:
a
wistful
desire
to
return
in
thought
or
in
fact
to
a
former
time
in
one's
life,
to
one's
home
or
homeland,
or
to
one's
family
and
friends;
a
sentimental
yearning
for
the
happiness
of
a
former
place
or
time:
a
nostalgia
for
his
college
days. It's only nostalgia if you've been there. If you are a younger person exploring the music of that era, I don't think it can be by definition, just appreciation for some good stuff.
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Yes my post had a complete different meaning for old guys like me! I will never know how different would it be my experience of discovering the 70's music in 2010.
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The-time-is-now
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 15:35 |
Reggy wrote:
The problem is that the Neo prog is just an nemesis of the 70's. There are no neoprog unless the term of "prog" detached from 70's. IQ, Flower Kings, Thriumvirat, Kayak, Van De Graff, etc those are trying to imitate the 70's. 70's Progressive is finished when Gabriel left Genesis, or Anderson sings "Owner of Lonely Hearts ..........TheNeo is not progs, but the evolution and metamorphosis..........
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Tt tt tt.
"Owner of a lonely heart" is the title.
It's commercial. so what ? So Yes could make money AAAAAND record The Ladder later 
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 15:16 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Reggy
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 15:07 |
The problem is that the Neo prog is just an nemesis of the 70's. There are no neoprog unless the term of "prog" detached from 70's. IQ, Flower Kings, Thriumvirat, Kayak, Van De Graff, etc those are trying to imitate the 70's. 70's Progressive is finished when Gabriel left Genesis, or Anderson sings "Owner of Lonely Hearts  ..........TheNeo is not progs, but the evolution and metamorphosis..........
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 06:33 |
From dictionary.com: a
wistful
desire
to
return
in
thought
or
in
fact
to
a
former
time
in
one's
life,
to
one's
home
or
homeland,
or
to
one's
family
and
friends;
a
sentimental
yearning
for
the
happiness
of
a
former
place
or
time:
a
nostalgia
for
his
college
days. It's only nostalgia if you've been there. If you are a younger person exploring the music of that era, I don't think it can be by definition, just appreciation for some good stuff.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Atomicunderware
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 06:22 |
I find the production of albums from the late 60's through the 70's very pleasing. The early experiments with stereo, the warmth of the analogue environment, the spontaneity of the compositions, experimenting with synths/mellotrons/new electronic instruments etc all make for a superb listening experience imo. The digital revolution of the 80's made things far too sterile and clinical sounding, along with the general decline in the style of music I enjoy so much, due in part to the continued fragmentation of music into metal/dance/pop/rock/whatever. It' no nostalgia for me, just the enjoyment of excellent music.
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esky
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 16:55 |
Whaaat? Come here! Take that. And that. Here's another one. Now get outta' here. But seriously, '70s prog is the standard for all else to be held up against, really, and I believe many bands today have a healthy realization of that fact.
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topographicbroadways
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Posted: May 20 2010 at 13:33 |
my band Welcome to the Machine are recording an album right now that is just pretending the 70s never ended!!!! its the only way we can write music and it doesnt feel like nostalgia
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shockedjazz
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Posted: May 20 2010 at 10:49 |
Noticing something good is not here, and cannot be here, because is historical, that makes you nostalgic..........And example ( and an example only) you can say i dont like ( cristianism, comunism, whatever) because im nostalgic i like it is because its good, but as long as these fenomenon appears to be historical and its gone, i feel nostalgic . I wanna reawake it but its truly posible? Is what lovers of 70 prog wonder when facing the neo-prog waves.
Maybe neo-prog waves have nothing to do with reawaking 70 prog......Another reason for nostalgia 
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