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Points: 22989 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2010 at 11:10
Hey Moris, is that guy saying "pizda" or did I mishear? That's a very nasty word in Romanian. Embarrassed And I also heard a widely known Italian swear word, but I'm not sure about that either. 
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Hey Moris, is that guy saying "pizda" or did I mishear? That's a very nasty word in Romanian. Embarrassed And I also heard a widely known Italian swear word, but I'm not sure about that either. 


This word means the same in all Balkan languages and all other Turkish/Tartar influenced languages, Alex
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ROFLMAO!LOL


Yes, you've heard it well. His music is full of 'pizda materina' and 'va fan culo'. Quite an uncompromising artist for the last 30 years (and 70 albums!Shocked). He is from Istria, and he's often switching between languages in mid-sentence. It's not uncommon in the area...I guess you can understand him better than 85% of CroatiansSmile
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Oh, sorry for exposing you guys to that particular word, I didn't think it was such an international item TongueEmbarrassed And yeah, that's the Italian swear I thought I heard. But no, except for those two expressions I didn't understand more LOL
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The linguistic diversity of the area where I live is stunning.

This is one of those languages nowadays spoken only in a few villages.

Also, Alex, I'm curious to know, could you understand this?!? These villages are not far away from where I live (20 minutes by car), but unfortunately very few people here are aware of that.
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Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

Also, Alex, I'm curious to know, could you understand this?!? These villages are not far away from where I live (20 minutes by car), but unfortunately very few people here are aware of that.


Istro-Romanians... It depends. When they speak normally, sometimes it doesn't make any sense and sounds more like Portuguese, sometimes I recognize words any even bigger portions of talk, but even then I can't figure out what they're saying overall. But when they're asked to speak clear and count or say the days of the week, it sounds almost like Romanian. Also, interesting to see that they have absolutely no problem to understand the Romanian reporter.
Phoenix have done a whole piece sung in A-Romanian (but I don't know which A-Romanian dialect they chose, Istro-Romanian or another one). It can be heard on PA: Canticlu A Cucuveaualiei
How are calling these guys? In many Balkan countries they're called Vlachs (Vlachos in Greece).

The other sample you posted sounded a bit like Gypsy.
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

Also, Alex, I'm curious to know, could you understand this?!? These villages are not far away from where I live (20 minutes by car), but unfortunately very few people here are aware of that.


Istro-Romanians... It depends. When they speak normally, sometimes it doesn't make any sense and sounds more like Portuguese, sometimes I recognize words any even bigger portions of talk, but even then I can't figure out what they're saying overall. But when they're asked to speak clear and count or say the days of the week, it sounds almost like Romanian. Also, interesting to see that they have absolutely no problem to understand the Romanian reporter.
Phoenix have done a whole piece sung in A-Romanian (but I don't know which A-Romanian dialect they chose, Istro-Romanian or another one). It can be heard on PA: Canticlu A Cucuveaualiei
How are calling these guys? In many Balkan countries they're called Vlachs (Vlachos in Greece).

The other sample you posted sounded a bit like Gypsy.


They're occasionally called Vlachs, but the term is to hazy, because nowadays it can represent a dozen of various ethnic/regional groups in these parts (at least that's my impression).

BTW, thanks for the link, I never bothered to check Phoenix before, it sounds really good!


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Oh, I'll fix that Tongue
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Pizda is considered as quite offensive word in Czech too. It refers to pedantic / stupid woman :-?

Terusi has therefore one "EP" with two songs (Slutnja & Mjesto pod sluncem) assuming my informations is correct. Can it be considered as release then ? It sounds good (I consider a lot of things as "good", which means thousands of different adjectives).

I suppose they could make a case here. What do you think ?

Ibn Tup - Based on two songs from Youtube (Deda & Pasidov el kaktus), Arabic Heavy Prog ? Sadly, these songs are not of high quality (not by far), but given conditions back then, I understand.
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Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

Originally posted by ko ko wrote:

A progrock band (from Tuzla, Bosnia)  Terusi,  from early 70s, former Yugoslavia > 
 
 
Also an obscure progrock band from former Yugoslavia, Ibn Tup, i dont know from where exactly (maybe from Serbia, because of the record label) >


I'm amazed!Clap Never heard of those.

It's a pity they released just a handful of singles...it seems Ibn Tup are from Vojvodina, most likely Novi Sad.


Here's my little contribution to prog obscurity of the former country:


What he said Clap" razjebala sluzokožu" StarStarStarStarStar
 
Never heard that one before, awesome stuff!!!Big smile 
Thank you Mr Clarke!
 
 
PS yea, i have feelling that Ibn Tup was from Vojvodina, you know - abit of humor - that's it!!!; anyway, that communists regime wasnt so bad. Wink
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Originally posted by snobb snobb wrote:

(...)even if I spent almost three years living not too far from Tuzla
Are you served military? As you know, there's a big US AF base near Tuzla; or as journalist aswell?
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

The other sample you posted sounded a bit like Gypsy.
Here are alot of, so called "white gypsies", who did do a great music-for example: fantastic  guitarist R.M. Točak is Gypsy one; or, one of the best singers ever in ex Yu - Aki, the singer of " Parni Valjak" 'is Gypsy too, etc.  Balkan(music) is not Balkans - without them!
 
 
yea, you ought to hear his amazing vocal abilites!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>
 
1976 LIVE AUDIO StarStarStarStarStar
 
 
 


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Originally posted by ko ko wrote:

Originally posted by snobb snobb wrote:

(...)even if I spent almost three years living not too far from Tuzla

Are you served military? As you know, there's a big US AF base near Tuzla; or as journalist aswell?


No, not "White Eagle" base

I lived in Zvornik
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Originally posted by snobb snobb wrote:

Originally posted by ko ko wrote:

Originally posted by snobb snobb wrote:

(...)even if I spent almost three years living not too far from Tuzla

Are you served military? As you know, there's a big US AF base near Tuzla; or as journalist aswell?


No, not "White Eagle" base

I lived in Zvornik
Aha. I have been at Majevica. CHEERS!
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

Also, Alex, I'm curious to know, could you understand this?!? These villages are not far away from where I live (20 minutes by car), but unfortunately very few people here are aware of that.


Istro-Romanians... It depends. When they speak normally, sometimes it doesn't make any sense and sounds more like Portuguese, sometimes I recognize words any even bigger portions of talk, but even then I can't figure out what they're saying overall. But when they're asked to speak clear and count or say the days of the week, it sounds almost like Romanian. Also, interesting to see that they have absolutely no problem to understand the Romanian reporter.
Phoenix have done a whole piece sung in A-Romanian (but I don't know which A-Romanian dialect they chose, Istro-Romanian or another one). It can be heard on PA: Canticlu A Cucuveaualiei
How are calling these guys? In many Balkan countries they're called Vlachs (Vlachos in Greece).

The other sample you posted sounded a bit like Gypsy.
Amazing Istra was - originaly - Italia, and that great italian spirit is to still live there - although that italian majority in Istra were, sadly enough, send by trucks to Italy in 1945 - or just executed by Slovenians partisans. I love Istra Heart- especialy inside of the peninsula is great. In 70s and early 80s, those "ghost villiges" were filled up by many of hippies from different countries;  the artists, musicians, or just freaks - hey, Ask Mr Clarke for more details.Smile
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How about Riverside from Poland? Also, SBB from Poland? Both progressive bands..
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Janez Boncina is a legendary, crossover prog singer-songwritter from Slovenia who was started his career with that early progrock band Srce (I posted one live track by  them). IMHO, Janez deserved to be at PA! 
 
issued 1983
 
 
live recorded, i dont know the year.
 
 
 
As I said above, his early band Srce :
 
1973 live recorded


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Originally posted by elektrykbestia elektrykbestia wrote:

How about Riverside from Poland? Also, SBB from Poland? Both progressive bands..



They both are on PA, and in fact are possibly most popular progressive artists from all Eastern Europe (just from different periods of time).
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OK, continuing my post from here:

Bands from former Czechoslovakia

Here's the reply to my reply:

Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

I know Moris, I've tried to edit the post 5 times to blue Synkopy too, but unfortunately, to no avail.

Now to the rest, my opinion (common knowledge, not deep listening and research):

Bacily (prog-related?) 
- don't know much. Prog-Related or Proto Prog. But I don't know them at all.

Etc (folk, crossover)
- I suppose Crossover, their second album is the best. Then they got ban on making music and next albums are released many years later in 80s.
Here are pleasing news from the land of Freaks

I have to note that in Czech R., he is rated as one of the Rock legends, among Radim Hladík (Blue Effect) and Michal Pavlíček (Pražský výběr).

Extempore (RIO/avant) 
- I was listening them recently. Really great weird stuff

Jazz Cellula (jazz-rock/fusion)
- ? Never heard about them.

Prudy (prog related/proto prog)
-Collegium Musicum related

Jazz Celula - really great Jazz. Unfortunately, it doesn't have too much of Rock "element", so maybe this will be a problem.

Extempore - sure bet for Avant, I will prepare my suggestion soon.

Prudy - still haven't listened them. However, their first album is listed under Collegium Musicum

Etc (Vladimir Misik & Etc ...) - I hope he will be successful for Crossover. So far so good.



Edited by Marty McFly - July 12 2010 at 20:04
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an amazing Smak's track :
 
 
PS ...or this one from the same album...Wink 


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