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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2010 at 12:06
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

i have not got good news
       It seems that the masters for the Original In Concert series are "missing", which translates as lost or ditched, probably a bit of both-it seems that the concert footage was not considered a money making thing at the time
              Don Kirshner's Rock Concert is a bit of a different story, only problem is that i double checked their complete episode guide and there is no reference to Triumvirat
                     i find this very painfull news, but what more can i say?



It could be stored away in a vault. What a great surprise that would be. Pete Sinfield misplaced the Fillmore East tape of King Crimson. Supposedly he discovered it missing when his plane landed. This is the special concert which Fripp claims to be the ultimate performance of the King Crimson band in 1969.

This is what could have happened:....If a theif stole the tape (along with other items), and music was not on his agenda, it may have been tossed into a nearby trashcan.

Maybe someone has been holding on to it or transferring it to disc for their own pleasure with no head for business or in fact no motive whatsoever. 

I waited all my life to hear an official live concert release of YES ....the prime lineup that toured off the album Fragile. Anderson, Wakeman, Bruford, Howe, and Squire. From the early 70's there is only one track from this lineup  on YESSONGS.  So many people love Yes but, have yet to hear that particular lineup perform a concert on an official cd release. The group that recorded Close to the Edge? Why not? As always with many prog bands from this era, it remains a mystery to fans unless they can produce money to unfold it. 

 
you have some well taken points-it is not a complete lost cause regarding the Triumvrat footage-i can tell you that alot of fans of the group, as i am sure you know, would jump at the chance to see and purchase this video-to whoever out there that may have it-do not sit on it, it would be a money making opportunity if you were to make it commercially available
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2010 at 22:38
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

i have not got good news
       It seems that the masters for the Original In Concert series are "missing", which translates as lost or ditched, probably a bit of both-it seems that the concert footage was not considered a money making thing at the time
              Don Kirshner's Rock Concert is a bit of a different story, only problem is that i double checked their complete episode guide and there is no reference to Triumvirat
                     i find this very painfull news, but what more can i say?



It could be stored away in a vault. What a great surprise that would be. Pete Sinfield misplaced the Fillmore East tape of King Crimson. Supposedly he discovered it missing when his plane landed. This is the special concert which Fripp claims to be the ultimate performance of the King Crimson band in 1969.

This is what could have happened:....If a theif stole the tape (along with other items), and music was not on his agenda, it may have been tossed into a nearby trashcan.

Maybe someone has been holding on to it or transferring it to disc for their own pleasure with no head for business or in fact no motive whatsoever. 

I waited all my life to hear an official live concert release of YES ....the prime lineup that toured off the album Fragile. Anderson, Wakeman, Bruford, Howe, and Squire. From the early 70's there is only one track from this lineup  on YESSONGS.  So many people love Yes but, have yet to hear that particular lineup perform a concert on an official cd release. The group that recorded Close to the Edge? Why not? As always with many prog bands from this era, it remains a mystery to fans unless they can produce money to unfold it. 

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2010 at 21:49
i have not got good news
       It seems that the masters for the Original In Concert series are "missing", which translates as lost or ditched, probably a bit of both-it seems that the concert footage was not considered a money making thing at the time
              Don Kirshner's Rock Concert is a bit of a different story, only problem is that i double checked their complete episode guide and there is no reference to Triumvirat
                     i find this very painfull news, but what more can i say?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2010 at 15:47
On a basic search for Don Kirshner,...I found on Wikipedia Encyclopedia some info.......Kirshner was asked by ABC Television in 1972 to be producer and consultant for the "In Concert" series. Kirshner left "In Concert" to produce his own Don Kirshner's Rock Concert. I really do believe I saw Triumvirat on "In Concert" and not Don Kirshner's Rock Concert but, I still search for a list of performers on D.K.R.C. and came across only a portional list of performers. Guess what? Triumvirat were not listed......well, that's not surprising. I searched You Tube for an excerpt of Triumvirat on the In Concert series but again.....nothing.
I would still try to find Triumvirat listed as playing on Don Kirshner's Rock Concert. Bounce between the 2 shows and see what you can come up with. Please let me know. very curious.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2010 at 01:56
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

To all-if i get anywhere with In Concert,  i will post the results
                           cheers!
P.S. when i say "post the results" , i only mean the written information on the video's commercial availability, not the actual video itself, as there could be copyright issues
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To all-if i get anywhere with In Concert,  i will post the results
                           cheers!
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It was either the year Illusions On A Double Dimple was released (which I don't remember)....but easy info for you to obtain....or it was the following year. The show "In Concert" was well known through part of the 70's during the height of other shows such as "Midnight Special" and Don Kirshner's Rock Concert. 'In Concert" seemed to allow band's to stretch out their performance time or slot.....even more so then Kirshner did. Do a search on the television music program from the 70's ...."In Concert" Check out the history and see if there is a listing of the acts which performed. There might be option to e-mail someone from a un-official Triumvirat website. I don't know if there is an official one? good luck
Thanks for the info, TODDLER-Off i go!Smile
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It was either the year Illusions On A Double Dimple was released (which I don't remember)....but easy info for you to obtain....or it was the following year. The show "In Concert" was well known through part of the 70's during the height of other shows such as "Midnight Special" and Don Kirshner's Rock Concert. 'In Concert" seemed to allow band's to stretch out their performance time or slot.....even more so then Kirshner did. Do a search on the television music program from the 70's ...."In Concert" Check out the history and see if there is a listing of the acts which performed. There might be option to e-mail someone from a un-official Triumvirat website. I don't know if there is an official one? good luck
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2010 at 14:27
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Yes I did see them and here is the insulting part.........TELEVISION. 

 
They appeared on a show called "In Concert". They played for a whole of 40 minutes. They would play for 10 minutes or so, then the TV station would break for commerials. This was just after the release of "Illusions On A Double Dimple" . I had a personal interest in seeing the band after hearing several tracks of the album on Philadelphia radio stations played by the F--G Boy wonder DJ'S of our area. I remember enjoying the performance of Triumvirat. They were very tight as a band and well polished. No flaws and well rehearsed.

I was a mere teenager during this time. I remember Triumvirat being promoted on the FM Radio stations in America....which at that time ironically FM radio was turning into the stadium rock circus show for everyone. For example you would hear Triumvirat pieces in between Robin Trower and Ted Nugent songs. It was like mixing gourmet food with some slop house grease spoon fed McDonalds value mealLOL. Like what you see on music television today except now, everything is so compartmentalized with the Paul Greens of the world.Disapprove Everything in the media is still garbage just approached from a different angle.  
Thanks for your response-that is fascinating! Makes one wonder if in an archive somewhere, there is the footage you saw-i think i will make some inquiries about that-and this was the band with Helmut Koellen!
Toddler-although it was a heckuva long time ago, do you remember the date you saw the footage?  i was also wondering if you know where it was filmed and where this program In Concert was broadcast from?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2010 at 10:08
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Yes I did see them and here is the insulting part.........TELEVISION. 

 
They appeared on a show called "In Concert". They played for a whole of 40 minutes. They would play for 10 minutes or so, then the TV station would break for commerials. This was just after the release of "Illusions On A Double Dimple" . I had a personal interest in seeing the band after hearing several tracks of the album on Philadelphia radio stations played by the F--G Boy wonder DJ'S of our area. I remember enjoying the performance of Triumvirat. They were very tight as a band and well polished. No flaws and well rehearsed.

I was a mere teenager during this time. I remember Triumvirat being promoted on the FM Radio stations in America....which at that time ironically FM radio was turning into the stadium rock circus show for everyone. For example you would hear Triumvirat pieces in between Robin Trower and Ted Nugent songs. It was like mixing gourmet food with some slop house grease spoon fed McDonalds value mealLOL. Like what you see on music television today except now, everything is so compartmentalized with the Paul Greens of the world.Disapprove Everything in the media is still garbage just approached from a different angle.  
Thanks for your response-that is fascinating! Makes one wonder if in an archive somewhere, there is the footage you saw-i think i will make some inquiries about that-and this was the band with Helmut Koellen!
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Yes I did see them and here is the insulting part.........TELEVISION. 

 
They appeared on a show called "In Concert". They played for a whole of 40 minutes. They would play for 10 minutes or so, then the TV station would break for commerials. This was just after the release of "Illusions On A Double Dimple" . I had a personal interest in seeing the band after hearing several tracks of the album on Philadelphia radio stations played by the F--G Boy wonder DJ'S of our area. I remember enjoying the performance of Triumvirat. They were very tight as a band and well polished. No flaws and well rehearsed.

I was a mere teenager during this time. I remember Triumvirat being promoted on the FM Radio stations in America....which at that time ironically FM radio was turning into the stadium rock circus show for everyone. For example you would hear Triumvirat pieces in between Robin Trower and Ted Nugent songs. It was like mixing gourmet food with some slop house grease spoon fed McDonalds value mealLOL. Like what you see on music television today except now, everything is so compartmentalized with the Paul Greens of the world.Disapprove Everything in the media is still garbage just approached from a different angle.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2010 at 22:13
Unfortunately, I did not discover my favourite band Triumvirat until they had already stopped recording and touring.
          I would be interested to know who out there actually saw the group live, and what it was like?
           The only PA member I know of who has made reference to seeing Triumvirat live is cstack3, who was lucky enough to have seen them when Helmut Koellen was with the band


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