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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 11:48
Browsing in stores is great fun, there is no question about this. And some stores sell not only music and books, but more: lifestyle. Some such places have marked my life for the better.

Browsing in stores is bad because it makes you buy stuff you weren't initially interested in. A direct attack at the wallet. LOL

Buying online is good because it always provides cheaper options. This is important, especially when living in a place where music is very expensive.

These are my main thoughts on the matter. Based on them, I prefer having both options available.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 11:59
I love browsing...but yeah, I always end up buying stuff I wasn't necessarily looking for to begin with...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 12:01
Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Here is the article I was talking about.

Interesting article.  Fascinating study of the power of touch.
I have to say, though, that I get a little bugged (and this is now the crotchety collector in me speaking) by all these anti-clutter nutters.  Having stuff doesn't necessarily make one a hoarder.  

I think I'm still all twitchy from watching an episode of How Clean is Your House?, or a show of that ilk, when the host said, "Why do you have all these books?  Once you've read a book, get rid of it."  Does that strike anybody else as criminally insane? 
Being a hoarder is a neurosis, but so is being a compulsive neatnik.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 12:04
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:



Buying online is good because it always provides cheaper options. This is important, especially when living in a place where music is very expensive.
 

Gosh, is music expensive in Kobaia?  That's depressing.  I would have thought that cosmic apocalypse would have really helped adjust the pricing index.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 12:11
It does make a difference when what you see in a shop at a price of usually around 20 euros can be bought online for 9.8 euros. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 12:30
I started off in the true vinyl era, and still cherish these and fondly remember browsing through LPs in my old local record shop. In fact, I have recently started converting a pile of them to digital files.

However, I buy the majority of music these days as downloads. The end result that is important is the music, not the format, and, anyway, I fail to see how buying a metal disc in a plastic case can be remotely romantic.

Turning to a couple of other points regarding generational issues, by and large this is true.

When television started, old farts condemned it as inferior to radio. Of course, radio itself was condemned as being the precursor to the death of live concert music. Vinyl records of jazz, blues, and rock & roll were condemned as heathen music designed in a format purely to corrupt our poor innocent kids. If you live in Britain, you will still see the Daily Mail & Express spouting such bollocks in the form of gaming machines and the internet.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 13:33
Originally posted by questionsneverknown questionsneverknown wrote:

Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Here is the article I was talking about.


I think I'm still all twitchy from watching an episode of How Clean is Your House?, or a show of that ilk, when the host said, "Why do you have all these books?  Once you've read a book, get rid of it."  Does that strike anybody else as criminally insane? 




This totally terrified me.  If someone came into my home and ordered me to toss out my library and my vinyl collection, I think I'd just pass out on the spot.  Either that or crack them over the head with one of my many, many leatherbound volumes of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 13:42

I have to admit that when I am visiting a new town (without my bike) and I spot an independent record shop, that's like honey to a grizzly bear. I am over there faster than a greased lightening and I spend some very happy minutes there. Mostly without spending a single penny. 

Yes, I mourn the passing of the independent record shops. But there is no doubts that the new era is a lot better than the old era. Music has become a lot cheaper and more accessible.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 21:29
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I love the internet for sampling stuff.  But if you've never experienced the sublime pleasures of browsing at a local store and finding something unexpected I feel sorry for you.

Well said. Exactly how I feel.

 I enjoy having the internet to listen to samples and decide if I might like a band or an album. It makes my personal "3 Song Rule" easy to follow. The rule was, If I didn't like 3 songs from an album it wasn't worth buying. It used to be a crap shoot, especially with bands that got little or no airplay. The internet has changed that.

I grew up in NYC and we had 3 or 4 small record shops in walking distance of my house and I'd spend hours just browsing and reading the jackets. None of those stores exist anymore-casualties of HMV or FYE, etc. There is a small chain that has a store near my camp in Maine, called Bull Moose. They still have lots of used and unique things, but even they have commercialized over the last few years. As is the pattern in much of the USA, the small specialty stores are being forced out by the big buys. The Walmarting of America.

Definitely miss being able to go into a small shop and find some gem!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 21:38
I'm not old enough to have had better times.  But around here if you're going to a store to buy music, you're finding only the most popular.  I have to go online to find ANYTHING.  Used stores have some good stuff, like entire record collections donated (theres so much ELP for some reason).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2010 at 06:16

I'm a used record shop junkie....if you add up all the time I've spent shuffling thru stacks, racks, bins, and piles (great name for a used record shop!), well, let's just say many would say I define the term "misspent youth".

 
I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2010 at 06:45
Originally posted by Intruder Intruder wrote:

I'm a used record shop junkie....if you add up all the time I've spent shuffling thru stacks, racks, bins, and piles (great name for a used record shop!), well, let's just say many would say I define the term "misspent youth".

 
I know how that feels......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2010 at 20:19
my little placed closed a couple years ago and we all still mourn it.. I miss that dusty musty odor, taking my time flipping through discs or LPs as old wood floors creaked and buckled under me, the banter with clerks, and the joy of finding something special among the dreck.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2010 at 22:12
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

my little placed closed a couple years ago and we all still mourn it.. I miss that dusty musty odor, taking my time flipping through discs or LPs as old wood floors creaked and buckled under me, the banter with clerks, and the joy of finding something special among the dreck.



That is a lovely reflection here. I suspect many can relate to this kind of experience.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2010 at 22:28
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Sterile digital illusions on a pixelated screen are a waste of time, and until the postman delivers the circular object that contains the music, no experience has taken place. This dire substitute is unfortunately becoming the norm. Unless you're privileged to have access to the real deal, it's pretty much the only option you have. What a crummy substitute...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2010 at 09:32
We used to have this record store in Atlanta, Peaches I believe it was called, that had a cassette area in the back, if you wanted to buy one, they would put in this basket that was attached to "flying" wizard of oz monkey (on a ceiling track) and it would take to the cash register up front.  LOL  I sh*t you not.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2010 at 15:46
I have some sympathy for the 'real record store nostalgia'.  I spent a good portion of my Saturday afternoons as a teenager in the local record store.  The problem was it was in a small town and rarely got much new stock in, other than popular stuff.  The big (and rare) excitement for me was going to a big town - especially London - and visiting the record stores there.  Even in the big London stores, there was a lot of stuff that was hard to get hold of in those days (early 80s). 

It might be blasphemous to some, but my experience is that (i) CDs replacing vinyl has meant a lot of previously deleted stuff being reissued (ii) the internet has made getting hold of it vastly easier.  It is easy to see things through rose tinted spectacles but it is only in recent years that I have, for example,  been able to explore music of the 60s and 70s that I barely knew about previously, despite it always having been my favourite era.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 09:42
I noticed the growing up in Leicester tag.
 
I used to have the best of several  worlds living half way between Leicester and Nottingham, in Loughborough. Alas the local indie records shops (3) went 3 summers ago - Ainsley's in Leicester died before then - as did the knowledgable guys behind the counter. But at least Ultima Thule was still there, the last time I looked a few months ago, although Alan Freeman has  talked of moving. Nottingham's Selectradisc died just over 2 years ago, and this a couple of years after they stopped buying in  second hand vinyl. There was an interesting rock specialist up an alley towards Maid Marion Way near the Bell Inn but that didn't last long in the 90's - and a heavy rock speciallist up one of the shopping alleys opposite the Odean cinema, does it survive?. So it seems both Leicester and Nottingham only have HMVs and their limited stocklist, whilst there is an even worse collection of safe releases at WH Smiths. Loughborough's local record shops were partly killed by cheap CDs on the internet, illegal copying and  the final straw, Virgin encouraged into our new shopping mall, rent free for a year. However, Virgin went bust replaced by Zaavi's who quickly when internet-only and then eventually HMV have taken over. I only go into HMV to check out the discounted DVDs, getting no pleasure sorting through the CD racks full of the obvious - a lost pleasure which kept me amused and priomed for surprises for hours most weeks in the past on entering the indie shops. ....Although I did manage to pick up Nigel Kennedy's Shhh! album very cheap two weeks ago - with a surprisingly good interpretation of Nick Drake's River Man, believe it or not sung by Boy George.
 
But I noticed something, HMV are selling the obvious safe CDs a lot cheaper than they did 10 years ago - presumably indicating their equivalent  in the 90's were overpriced (encouraging copying for instance????). But then the sort of CDs I might buy are still overpriced in HMV, when they are slipped in.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 09:55
 
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

 
But I noticed something, HMV are selling the obvious safe CDs a lot cheaper than they did 10 years ago - presumably indicating their equivalent  in the 90's were overpriced (encouraging copying for instance????). But then the sort of CDs I might buy are still overpriced in HMV, when they are slipped in.


As with golf clubs and other consumer goods; CDs was/is vastly more expensive in the UK than in the USA. That's why you had people going to New York from the UK to do their Christmas shopping instead of York...... and making a substantial saving by crossing the drink. But the falling CD prices has made the UK CD prices more in line with the US prices. 

I wish the same could happen with golf clubs &, shoes and balls too...........

  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 21:37
Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

You're not alone. I never got to see the heydey of record stores (I'm 24), but I still love the feeling of rifling through stores looking for something that might pique my interest. It's just such a tactile and unique way to discover music - there's an element of chance and spontaneity to it which is sorely lacking in online shopping.
 
I got to see some magnificent ones ...  for imports and strange stuff ... in my time:
 
Tower Records on the Sunset Strip ... for the longest time was the haven for imports and weird stuff, and one day they decided that the imports they would get would only be Beatles and Rolling Stones and it was over.
 
Moby Disk in Van Nuys. The ultimate progressive and import heaven for the longest time. Still one of the best. Can't tell you if they are there or not.
 
Warehouse in Westwood (UCLA) ... had a couple of floors and was huge on jazz, classical, and soundtracks and off kilter stuff.
 
Rasputin Records ... Berkeley ... eventually split into two stores because they were too big ... way too big. But you went there with a list of things, because if you didn't, you would spend 12 hours in that place and have a stack of things in your hand that was taller than you are! And your wife or significant other would kill you!
 
Music Millenium ... Portland. The ultimate independent store, still fairly good, though slimmed down and they failed to get into the website business in time to make a go of it.
 
Between those and a couple of folks over email, I got most of my needs. Never found a good European distributor that had the music as a priority, but Archie Patterson (Eurock) still is the best at the odd stuff ... which I can't afford! Meaning I never get to hear the new things!
 
I heard that the Tower Records in NY was massive ... but their prices were not for me!
 
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