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toroddfuglesteg 
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Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
 Posted: October 14 2010 at 10:30 |
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I can exclusive reveal that the future will be either a. Totally free downloads of music from the few artist who could be bothered to record anything b. The artist keeps the album and you pay for each time you listen to the album from their website. I cannot see any other solutions in five years time than this. The technology is there for alternative b. and can be implemented in both Windows, whatever Apple does, Linux and any other operating systems. If you try to listen to a pirate, the operating system will close down the computer and/or if the operating system detects any music files being used on your computer. The legislation in most countries, with possible exception of Congo, also allows this to happens. Only a small tweak and the artists and perhaps the record labels wins back their products. This solution will also apply to the film and games industry. The CDs/LPs/cassettes/singles and the movies you have already bought will still be perfectly legal to own. All copying of digital files over a computer will be made impossible. I guess cassettes will come back in fashion for the pirates movement. I believe alternative b. will happen and that in only a few years time.
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Catcher10
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VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 18042 |
Posted: October 14 2010 at 10:14 |
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I think for me it is the word FREE......I have never gone to an artists page and downloaded an album or tracks.....I have streamed them to listen but not downloaded. I don't think anything is wrong with that, I just have not done it.
I don't belong to any club, review group where I get free CD's.
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Finnforest
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Online Points: 17551 |
Posted: October 14 2010 at 09:38 |
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Yep. Since some people don't like using the word "steal", I'll just say....don't take what you've not been given permission to take, from an artist.
People who justify doing so, for any reason, will never convince me what they are doing is not immoral. So save your breath, perps.
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Anaon
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Joined: September 01 2005 Location: Kobaïa Status: Offline Points: 849 |
Posted: October 14 2010 at 09:29 |
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As an independent/diy musician, this is a truly interesting thread to follow!!
 Do you think that free music has a bad image? (Consciously or unconsciously) |
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Catcher10
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VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 18042 |
Posted: October 14 2010 at 09:26 |
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Good topic for discussion and I too do not think the OP meant anything bad.......my suggestion is just do not download anything without paying for it first.....100% agree support the arts. I also agree money is tight...CD's range from USD5 (eBay, Amazon, used...) to USD15 (BestBuy, FYE, retailers...).
Back in the day we (old metal heads
 ) had to buy everything on vinyl at about USD12......So the prices really have not dropped changed much.To keep my spending in check, I have been using subscription music service offered by Microsoft, the Zune Marketplace. For a monthly fee I can listen to all that I want and download all I want.....I know the artists are getting paid, everything is legal and I quench my huge appetitie for many different genres of music.
There are other services like this so I encourage those with tight budgets to go down this road rather than the road of "illegal".
I still buy CD's and vinyl when I find an album that I just want to "own", so my physical collection is still growing and honestly part of why I do this is to try and set an example for my kids who also enjoy music on a daily basis.......Plus they still are in awe when I spin a vinyl, that's cool!
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Xanatos
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Banned Joined: February 01 2010 Location: Latin America Status: Offline Points: 305 |
Posted: October 13 2010 at 21:24 |
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moshkito
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Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18611 |
Posted: October 13 2010 at 18:13 |
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Same ... I have gotten a lot of free music from many places and had even more when I was doing my Internet Radio show a few years back. And I still get some free stuff from GAS from my days of taking photos of them, a picture of which they used on a poster for almost a year.
I am considering doing that show again, as there is not a single show out there that is worth mentioning that is not doing conventional radio ... and progressive music was a reaction to that ... so I hope you can see the irony of it all and the dis-respect that we are showing for a way of life!
As ELO said ... roll over beethoven! ... it's all it is, isn't it? Edited by moshkito - October 13 2010 at 18:20 |
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Slartibartfast
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Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: October 13 2010 at 17:30 |
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I'll pony up a little extra if I know it's going more directly to the artist. But I do spread it around: internet retailers, independent brick and mortar stores, individual internet sellers, probably last of these these days is the local chain store I call OK Purchase. The only free music I get is that offered up for free. The most recent thing was an Umphrey's McGee CD being given away at a local store. Edited by Slartibartfast - October 13 2010 at 17:36 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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moshkito
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Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18611 |
Posted: October 13 2010 at 16:26 |
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I don't think I have a single download in my computer ... I don't like the quality of many of them and I prefer the CD's for the art and to ALSO give the ARTIST credit for their work.
I am convinced that one of the big problems with a lot of the music appreciation these days has to do with the downloads, where almost all of it is geared towards hits and songs, and few people are capable of even thinking of any artist as an "artist" ... they are just musicians playing songs, and I can honestly tell you that the "progressive" music you are searching for is not that at all, and that was not what made it become what it has become.
That said, I think the whole internet thing and how bands can get around, and not tour the world and kill themselves, is still young ... in its teens really ... and in the next 10 years, this will clarify itself even more.
The board has a responsibility to the artist and the music business and that is the reason why "illegal" things are not supported and why the discussion of bootlegs is sometimes difficult and not ... appreciated. But unlike a lot of music that is not on CD's, there is massive history in there, that needs to be addressed and checked out, and this is the part that many here are afraid of dealing with. I don't blame them, but that is like saying that people can hide for 20 years and you pay for it ... or Elton John finally admitting that he was gay (at least he was honest!) and his sales slipping by one third ... and he has had no major hits since!
My hope is, and was, that the Internet brings the "music business" to its knees and helps "kill it". Not for anarchy's sakes, but for the artists' sakes. That said, most 'popular music" are business interests that are simply going for the one ... the money that is, and advertising is making you feel guilty if you don't get this or see that, and some of your friends get caught up in it as well.
In the end, ALL music business will end up in the Internet, and it's a shame that they are afraid to get there with it. The likes of iTunes and many other services, are doing exactly the same thing that the "music business" was doing before, and this will hurt the artists, whose music gets buried and people have this idea that half a million downloads of Lady Gaga is good, and a progressive download is NOT.
And as mentioned above, the other precept is ... you do not get a thorough idea of the artist ... and if KC's first album had come out today, most people with today's style of discussion would probably trash it for an uneven and pretentious album.
It's the nature of the beast, you could say.
They can ... but many of them have to learn something about the business side of things, and there are many people that do not feel qualified to do that, and sometimes getting laid and smoking dope is easier than chasing down a good lawyer and accountant and have a kid with you that can do all the lights and sound!
But it is, somewhat harder, for an unknown band to walk into a club in Portland and get a gig ... on any night with 2 other piddly bands ... and that can be very furstrating and disappointing, and tends to help the bands break up and not enjoy the music or each other.
All in all, even if it is not our strength, the only way the music business can get hurt is if you take stock in your OWN WORK, and a band like Marillion, Dream Theater, have gotten the recognition and fan base they had because of it. And to give you an idea, at one time Marillion was broke and needed money for some studio work for their next album and their fan base provided it, for which they got a free concert, with dinner and CD after it all was said and done.
The legality of it all, is often based on "money" ... and when there is no money involved there are no lawyers out there that will bother with it much. They can not gain anything from nothing. So the legality of downloading something "illegal" when it's free, it almost always a mute point in court, but there are some that love to intimidate people with it as Metallica did with Napster at one time and others, which is one of the reason why I do not listen to that band or discuss their music! Their concept was "greed" and lawyers, not anything else. Or as Jackson Browne said .. lawyers in love!
I don't think, that there is a way that all of the music will be free ... you need to make a living as well as I do and everyone else ... what it going to be different is ... that you will not be paying a record company for the girls, the sex, the dope and everything else they rip you off with glittering and creative accountancy and scam more numbers out of you than ever ... you will never get a proper and correct number of sales, or you would know how much money they took in ... and that should help you put that guy with the colorful flying balls in perspective for you!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Textbook
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Joined: October 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 3281 |
Posted: October 13 2010 at 16:15 |
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From my experience of the independent rap scene, a lot of independent rappers do better than the major label guys. Sure, a major label will give you a whopping advance to get you to sign a contract but then absolutely screw you on the proceeds from your work. The major label guy will have more money today but in the long term the indepedent rapper who gets to keep the money from his gigs and records may actually earn more.
If you live in major US cities, it's easy to find a couple dozen no-label street rappers who make their music independently in home studios or buying studio time, press their own CDs and then push them on the street and on the web. The big advantage of this approach is that no money goes anywhere- it's all yours. It's the difference between selling 10,000 CDs at $20 and getting $1 from each ($10,000) or selling 1000 CDs at $20 each and keeping the complete $20 ($20,000). Some of the better ones makes 40-60k a year which isn't balling but it's enough to keep doing it, especially if they supplement with a part-time job or shows at clubs and so on.
As for music being free, it does seem like more and more artists are accepting that people don't accept that they MUST pay to hear your music and will only give you money if they feel like it, so they offer music for free in the hopes that some will. And you know, if it's good, they generally do. You're not going to become a billionaire this way, but you can definitely survive. I mean look at Big Star. If they came out now and were on the net, their cult fanbase would support the hell out of them.
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rushfan4
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 15:45 |
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TheProgtologist
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 23 2005 Location: Baltimore,Md US Status: Offline Points: 27802 |
Posted: October 13 2010 at 15:37 |
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I would much rather buy my music directly from the artists.
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Theriver
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Joined: March 13 2010 Location: Lisbon Portugal Status: Offline Points: 181 |
Posted: October 13 2010 at 15:35 |
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Of course not all musicians will be willing to do their jobs for free. But are they not many other ways for them to leave from their music than selling records. I think history proves it.
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J-Man
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Joined: August 07 2008 Location: Philadelphia,PA Status: Offline Points: 7826 |
Posted: October 13 2010 at 15:23 |
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Sorry, but music will NEVER be entirely available for free.
Yes, some bands give away an album or two for free. Yes, most bands will give away their albums in exchange for a review. But the only reason why they do this is so that they will gain new customers in terms of buying their music and attending concerts. Think about it. If a band gives away 10 digital promos (which costs nothing, by the way) for reviews, think of all the new fans they could get (assuming the reviews are positive). There's a distinct difference between promotion and just giving away stuff for free. Musicians need to eat. They need to pay bills, have a house, and do everything that everybody else does. In addition to that, they also need enough money to fund their next album. Thus, it makes no logical sense to predict that all musicians will be willing to do their job for free. |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 15:14 |
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I've bought more that a few directly from the artist now. But I do get stuff from a variety of sources. |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Theriver
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Joined: March 13 2010 Location: Lisbon Portugal Status: Offline Points: 181 |
Posted: October 13 2010 at 15:09 |
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You do paid for the theatre, like you pay for concert. Music has always been a live thing since probably since the roman or ancient greek time while recording is still a new thing when you think about it. As i said in a previous post recording support might be rembered as a tiny moment in the history of music. I think most of the music will be available for free in the futur and musicians will earn money through concerts, merchandising, patronage, advertising on their own webside.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 15:03 |
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I think the future will be a monthly subscription for a certain "package" of music streaming - certainly that's what the industry seems to want (as a compromise with the internet culture). Like for electricity or heating :)
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TheProgtologist
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 23 2005 Location: Baltimore,Md US Status: Offline Points: 27802 |
Posted: October 13 2010 at 15:00 |
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The sad fact of the music industry is that when you buy a cd the band makes almost next to nothing from that product.They literally make a few cents on the dollar for every cd sold and the rest goes to record companies,managers,etc. The majority of the income that a band makes is from merch and ticket sales.
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Blacksword
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Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: October 13 2010 at 14:58 |
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Those who downloaded In Rainbows had the option of paying something if they wish. It's heartening that many people did pay something, but dissapointing in equal measure that many didn't. In my opinion anyway. It was a good idea nonetheless. I bought the CD, and generally favour CD over download. |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Lark the Starless
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Joined: October 15 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 1902 |
Posted: October 13 2010 at 14:56 |
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You wouldn't expect a mechanic to fix your car for free. [/QUOTE] At the prices they charge!
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