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Anaon 
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Joined: September 01 2005 Location: Kobaļa Status: Offline Points: 849 |
 Posted: October 19 2010 at 07:51 |
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Yep, I know... That's what I say it "was" important, it's already the past actually...
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sleeper
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Joined: October 09 2005 Location: Entropia Status: Offline Points: 16449 |
Posted: October 19 2010 at 06:39 |
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Yeah, but you can pay for singles and even there, people will just take the songs, no matter how much they like them, and never pay for them. Often the justification for this is "They're rich, I'm not".
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: October 15 2010 at 08:33 |
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Spotify = payment spotty at best? |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Anaon
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Joined: September 01 2005 Location: Kobaļa Status: Offline Points: 849 |
Posted: October 15 2010 at 08:03 |
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It's a kind of "marketing law" indeed, even if it's sad to talk about marketing and music. People have to hear, then like the music so they could buy. That's why radio play is (was) so important. It was the door to the buying of the album. Everything is changing now people can download the song they liked on the radio, or even the album. But there's also quality. People are getting bored to find out the song they liked on the radio is the only one they like on the album. A good reason to not buy the album. |
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sleeper
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Joined: October 09 2005 Location: Entropia Status: Offline Points: 16449 |
Posted: October 15 2010 at 06:47 |
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You arent the only one, but as far as I can tell the majority just dont care, they'll take the songs and listen to them, but they wont give anything back.
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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sleeper
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Joined: October 09 2005 Location: Entropia Status: Offline Points: 16449 |
Posted: October 15 2010 at 06:44 |
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I dont think there is any blanket answer since the difference between a small time group like Tinyfish and the media darling that is Lady Gaga is huge, to the point where comparing the effects of illegal downloads is a bit pointless. "Artists" like Lady Gaga and any others with massive support form the major labels will continue as they are since they can build themselves up massive revenue streams through sponsorship and endorsments. Something tells me Porcupine Tree couldnt. As far as prog is concerned, I think there will always be an audiance willing to pay for the hard copy of a bands latest album as long as we think the band is worth spending money on. But remember that at the moment, the vast majority of still active bands that are listed on the archives are made up of semi- professionals, they do not make a living out of being musicians. To this extent I the major aim of selling music is to recoup the costs of recording it, since they arent likely to make much out of touring (some bands can make a small profit from touring, others make a loss). I dont know what revenue streams are like on merch so I wont talk about that.
To be honest though, the biggest thing that most of these bands are doing today is giving the labels the finger and going it alone. I was talking to Tom MacLean, lead guitarist of To-Mera, at the Summers End festival on saturday and he said that the band got fed up with the polotics and are now rebuilding to go it alone, we've seen Spock's Beard do that this year and Marillion have really provided the blueprint for this. As long as there are people willing to support these artists then I'm certain that they will keep going.
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xeokym
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Joined: October 17 2005 Status: Offline Points: 15 |
Posted: October 15 2010 at 06:43 |
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That is true, I have very often "sampled" music through illegal downloading & then gone & bought the "official" CD if it was something I really liked. I can only speak for myself but I can't be the only one who does that...there's nothing like owning the actual CD, and I'm happy the money goes to the band when I really appreciate the work (well...not entirely...you know). It's not much different than what you can do on, for example, amazon, where you're allowed to listen to all the songs on the album once fully through (which is better IMO than just being able to listen to like 30 seconds of the song, which isn't enough in some cases) before buying, and one can purchase songs individually for 99 cents each as well as the entire CD all at once. Gone are the days of paying for an entire album just to get 1 or 2 songs one really wanted and then getting stuck with the rest of the album that one doesn't like at all. Although, with prog/art rock type music, personally if I like 1 or 2 songs then I tend to like the band's entire sound, and 9 times out of 10 I do want the entire CD. Prog rock is a bit different than your average radio airplay stuff...you don't exactly get to hear that kind of music played freely on the radio too much. |
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Anaon
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Posted: October 15 2010 at 06:33 |
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Actually, you can any kind of bands but some big labels don't want to offer their music on streaming on Spotify, no Beatles, no Pink Floyd, no Led Zeppelin for example but a lof of progressive bands, famous or not.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: October 15 2010 at 06:28 |
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^ No, the big labels, who are owning the majority of the music streamed on Spotify and who apparently (according to something that I read some time ago and hopefully I'll be albe to find the link again) are behind it. "The big boys of the industry" are never the bands or the service providers, but the major labels.
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Anaon
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Posted: October 15 2010 at 06:25 |
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By "big boys", you mean who? Spotify owners or Spotify artists? |
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Dick Heath
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Posted: October 15 2010 at 04:16 |
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What are Spotify getting for the privilege of hosting those 2m plays?
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moshkito
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Posted: October 14 2010 at 21:00 |
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No.
But free music has one advantage ... eventually it creates a massive audience. And any band that does not know how to play for free, is not a band that deserves the be playing music in front of an audience ... my point being, that you either love your work to the point where you also can give it away to some that also deserve it ... or simply admit it ... I'm trying to make a living off it.
The main problem, and California is an example, is that when someone says "free music" it usually means a bunch of freaks, hippies, druggies and ... lousy music! But don't try to convince me that Phish was free music ... more like over-rated notes!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Theriver
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Joined: March 13 2010 Location: Lisbon Portugal Status: Offline Points: 181 |
Posted: October 14 2010 at 17:16 |
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The access to music will change, but good artist will still be around as they were before. I think too many artist (and labels) made too much money from crap music for too long but the good bands will survive and still make a living from music. They is new ways to make living from music, there is more and more festivals ( i thinks) bands will have to tour more, sell merchandising....I don't why some musicians think they deserve to not make good money from music just because they recorded a cd. I can think a lot of harder jobs that barely gets what some musicians get for an average album. Maybe the future be more fair. |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: October 14 2010 at 16:21 |
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Seems like you answered your own question. That is exactly the reason why I'm not interested in Spotify. It's just the big boys of the industry pretending to be indie. |
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Pelata
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Joined: January 04 2010 Location: NC-USA Status: Offline Points: 364 |
Posted: October 14 2010 at 11:59 |
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Free music is coming. As long as there is a band on every street corner in America and a "label" starting up in every basement, the music scene will remain flooded with not enough money to go around. Underground or above-ground, there are too many bands making too many albums for too many labels all reaching for the same small plate of money...most of them are just not going to get any of it.
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Anaon
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Joined: September 01 2005 Location: Kobaļa Status: Offline Points: 849 |
Posted: October 14 2010 at 11:25 |
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Yep... It's a great tool for listeners but it's not so good for artists unfortunately... It's still better than illegal download though. We can hope that if people like what they hear, they'll buy the album somehow (which is true as well with illegal download some may say
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Edited by Anaon - October 14 2010 at 11:26 |
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toroddfuglesteg
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Posted: October 14 2010 at 10:57 |
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Your single gets 2 million airplays at Spotify and you earn $ 45. That is rip-off by everyone's standards.
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Anaon
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Joined: September 01 2005 Location: Kobaļa Status: Offline Points: 849 |
Posted: October 14 2010 at 10:53 |
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Even better than Deezer, it should works in the US very soon, it's called Spotify. I just can't understand that people still download to discover music with a legal tool like Spotify.
Unfortunately, if artists get paid, it's such a little that even Lady Gaga complains about it LOL (I think I've never been paid from Spotify compared to Itunes for example). Edited by Anaon - October 14 2010 at 10:54 |
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Theriver
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Posted: October 14 2010 at 10:47 |
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Does anyone knows Deezer, it is not downloading but it seems legal to listen to music through streaming on that website. Yo can listen to a lot of prog album on it. Most of the Musea recdord label is on it. Does the artist gets money? It could be a solution for the future.
Another solutions would be to have a small pop up window with advertising when we download a song or an album. The royalties could go to the artists.
I don't know i think there is a lot of solutions and again that free downloading will be the norm in the future and that artists will just learn to live with.
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Catcher10
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Posted: October 14 2010 at 10:37 |
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^ That's a pretty extreme solution
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