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Posted: November 06 2010 at 00:22
If you like the gritty boom bap sound of Enter The Wu Tang, another key act is Black Moon and their revered Enter Da Stage. (I'm personally not a fan, I find it kind of dull but I'm in the minority. Most hip-hoppers worship it and its companion piece by Black Moon affiliates Smif N Wessun, Da Shining.)
Samples:
These two tracks are actually pretty great, but a lot of the other stuff on the LP is average to me.
Another classic LP that doesn't get brought up much is Uptown Saturday Night by Camp Lo. Camp Lo's thing is a sort of 70s blaxploitation vibe and they write their lyrics in a very very dense complex slang-speak which can be quite hard to follow if you don't know the terminology- to the uninitiated they can sound abstract. But the two MCs have very good flows and there's lost of nice production.
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Posted: November 06 2010 at 08:40
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Carnival is alright but 8 Diagrams, hmm... it's not terrible or anything, in fact some of the MCs (particularly U-God who'd never sounded better) sounded re-energised and on their game but RZA drops the ball on the production, very dull for the most part. (Strangely, a lot of the pre-release tracks that did not make it on to the album are a lot better than what actually did. See if you can Watch Your Mouth.) In fact Raekwon publicly chewed RZA out about the beats on the album being wack and suggested they do the next record without him but I think they've settled it and are working together again now.
See if you can exchange it for Liquid Swords.
I listened to most of 8 Diagrams last night, and I'm kinda disappointed. Nowhere near Enter the Wu-Tang IMO.
I actually really missed hearing Ol' Dirty b*****d's raps on that... he's probably my favorite in the Wu-Tang.
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Posted: November 06 2010 at 17:47
J-Man: As I said before, a lot of the solo/spin-off Wu Tang records are better than the group's own subsequent albums.
Liquid Swords (GZA) and Only Built For Cuban Links (Raekwon) are particularly regarded as classics but there's lots of other good ones.
Ghostface Killah is probably my favourite. He's actually not the best MC in the group but he has the best ear for beats out of all of them, not having any records like Immobilarity (Raekwon album where his rapping was fine but the album was sunk by rubbish beats) and GK knows a well deployed sample when he sees one:
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Posted: November 06 2010 at 21:24
Textbook wrote:
J-Man: As I said before, a lot of the solo/spin-off Wu Tang records are better than the group's own subsequent albums.
Liquid Swords (GZA) and Only Built For Cuban Links (Raekwon) are particularly regarded as classics but there's lots of other good ones.
Ghostface Killah is probably my favourite. He's actually not the best MC in the group but he has the best ear for beats out of all of them, not having any records like Immobilarity (Raekwon album where his rapping was fine but the album was sunk by rubbish beats) and GK knows a well deployed sample when he sees one:
I quite like those. I'll have to check out some of his albums! Any particular release I should get first?
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Posted: November 07 2010 at 16:07
Enjoy. Iron Flag is alright, Iron Man is very good :)
We been bumping a whole lot of old stuff which I know is easy to do but listening to myself on the hip-hop boards I come off like a grumpy old grandad a lot of the time. But while I honestly maintain that modern mainstream rap is almost all rubbish (Nicki Minaj and Drake? Please, I can out-rhyme them, they're nothing but image) there's still good stuff on the underground and probably always will be so let's try not completely overlook the quality new hip-hop that's still being produced, particularly the music that's not from Chicago, the East Coast, Detroit, Atlanta or the West Coast (or Minnesota, which, perhaps surprisingly, is a huge centre for alternative rap). Here's some tracks from a brand new album I have a good feeling about from North Carolina group Mindsone called Self Reliance:
And while I'm here I'll give a shout out to Minnesota's Eyedea a key independent rapper who has just died aged only 28. The reason for his death has not been made public but the guy was a great freestyler and battler and deserved props so it's a sad loss. Though he was best known for his work with producer Abilities, his best album is the self-produced The Many Faces Of Oliver Hart. Here's some of his cuts. Here For You getting a little proggy...
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Posted: November 07 2010 at 16:08
So what ? I don't dislike totally rap but it's certainly the last musical genre I would be interested in (although I still like some run-dmc, cypress hill or beastie boys (especially paul's boutique) from time to time), but I wouldn't pay too much to hear in the recent artists, especially, someone who speaks with a lot of insults and some samples as background music.
Of course, if someone can recommend rap without samples and without annoying speech (in the vein of the bands above-mentioned) I would be glad to move forward with a constructive discussion.
Edited by lucas - November 07 2010 at 16:08
"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Posted: November 07 2010 at 16:11
I don't agree that samples are inherently rubbish but I do agree that a lot of recent mainstream rap- basically everything since 50 Cent undid all of Outkast's good work in 2003- is terrible. Look at the underground man.
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Posted: November 07 2010 at 16:27
lucas wrote:
So what ? I don't dislike totally rap but it's certainly the last musical genre I would be interested in (although I still like some run-dmc, cypress hill or beastie boys (especially paul's boutique) from time to time), but I wouldn't pay too much to hear in the recent artists, especially, someone who speaks with a lot of insults and some samples as background music.
Of course, if someone can recommend rap without samples and without annoying speech (in the vein of the bands above-mentioned) I would be glad to move forward with a constructive discussion.
Wu-Tang Clan has been around since 1992.
And I wasn't questioning your opinion. I was just stating that your original comment added nothing meaningful to the discussion...
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Posted: November 07 2010 at 17:03
I just went to go listen to Ironman, and it turns out the record store put the wrong damn CD in the case! It's some really crappy techno-pop dance DVD! I'm going to try and go exchange it tomorrow...
Planet Rock-Afrikaa Bambaataa and the Soulsonic Force
The New Adventures of Slick Rick-Slick Rick
Fishscale-Ghostface Killah
Emergency Rations-Mr. Lif
Later That Day...-Lyrics Born
Things Fall Apart-The Roots
The Cold Vein-Cannibal Ox
I don't profess to be a huge expert but those should all be great places to start. The Low End Theory in particular is one of the greatest albums ever made, regardless of genre.
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