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Points: 525 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2011 at 12:42
Kudos to you AP2Slaves. That's all I was saying before the fanboys fell on my neck with a scream.

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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:


Originally posted by hobocamp hobocamp wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:


Originally posted by hobocamp hobocamp wrote:

^I recognize them. They are the mainstream rock band with worldwide popularity. That doesn't mean I have to think they're on par with the likes of Genesis.

And this doesn't mean anyone has to agree with you. 
You and Ivan should get a room. That way you can put things in each others mouths and stop putting words in mine.

So you eject the old good menage a trois??? 
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Originally posted by hobocamp hobocamp wrote:

^ Success has nothing to do with my opinion of the music of Floyd. However all of your posts reflect an incessant need to prove others wrong so you won't have to worry about progheads disliking you for your popularity.

No, all my posts reflect that I'm a person with an opinion and not afraid to give it.

I've been here for 6 years, and saw many newbies disrespecting bands just because they were popular...Of course they never admitted it. 

This is a place where we give our opinions even if they are unpopular, if you don't like this....Bad luck, because I don't give a damn.

Originally posted by hobocamp hobocamp wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

 
Originally posted by hobocamp hobocamp wrote:

^I recognize them. They are the mainstream rock band with worldwide popularity. That doesn't mean I have to think they're on par with the likes of Genesis.
 
And this doesn't mean anyone has to agree with you. 
You and Ivan should get a room. That way you can put things in each others mouths and stop putting words in mine.

How old are you? The sex/gay argument when you don't have an intelligent answer?

I stopped doing that when I was 12.

Haven't you noticed that T and I have frequent disagreements, but that we are mature enough to agree when we believe something is right?

Originally posted by hobocamp hobocamp wrote:

Kudos to you AP2Slaves. That's all I was saying before the fanboys fell on my neck with a scream.

Fanboys?  Again...How old are you? Now you are playing the victim?

I'm hardly a Pink Floyd fan and T is more a Prog Metal fan with a lot of respect for Genesis, we could hardly be fanboys if we are not even strong fans of the band.

Iván


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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:



I'm hardly a Pink Floyd fan and T is more a Prog Metal fan with a lot of respect for Genesis, we could hardly be fanboys if we are not even strong fans of the band.

Iván

Not so Ivan, not anymore at least (it used to be that way). Besides my most loved music (see signature) metal is just a sub-set of rock in general, and my favorite bands are DT (progmetal, yes) and Genesis. And Pink Floyd is somewhere close to the top 5 (at least their big five albums).  Smile
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:



I'm hardly a Pink Floyd fan and T is more a Prog Metal fan with a lot of respect for Genesis, we could hardly be fanboys if we are not even strong fans of the band.

Iván

Not so Ivan, not anymore at least (it used to be that way). Besides my most loved music (see signature) metal is just a sub-set of rock in general, and my favorite bands are DT (progmetal, yes) and Genesis. And Pink Floyd is somewhere close to the top 5 (at least their big five albums).  Smile



Yes, I forgot you had evolved LOLWink

But I'm sure you are not remotely a Pink Floyd or any band fanboy.

Iván

BTW: I would never get a room with you. LOL
            
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:



I'm hardly a Pink Floyd fan and T is more a Prog Metal fan with a lot of respect for Genesis, we could hardly be fanboys if we are not even strong fans of the band.

Iván

Not so Ivan, not anymore at least (it used to be that way). Besides my most loved music (see signature) metal is just a sub-set of rock in general, and my favorite bands are DT (progmetal, yes) and Genesis. And Pink Floyd is somewhere close to the top 5 (at least their big five albums).  Smile



Yes, I forgot you had evolved LOLWink

But I'm sure you are not remotely a Pink Floyd or any band fanboy.

Iván

BTW: I would never get a room with you. LOL

LOL

Fanboy I never was of any band really.. I don't know bios, I have no videos, I own the full discography of a few bands but no live or ep or demo albums... And I used to get a little passionate at defending some bands or styles but it was more of a personality problem I guess Tongue

BTW: I have interesting musical ideas for such encounter anyway... LOL
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@ Ivan

Touche. Or should I say douche?

Flips coin

Douche it is!

I don't give a rats ass about your passion, bravery, tenure or special relationships with other members. But when you post erronous facts to support your arguments and draw false conclusions or misrepresent others' statements then it's not an opinion it's just incorrect.

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Hobocamp, you really need to know to use different colors when quoting and writing like that. 
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I like you T. Ivan too when his panties aren't twisted.
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Why this obsession with ratings? I'd prefer PA without stars - they are usually misleading. I like early Genesis, but would never want to rate them.

And - no ratings would prevent further under/overrated discussions.
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Originally posted by Paravion Paravion wrote:

Why this obsession with ratings? I'd prefer PA without stars - they are usually misleading. I like early Genesis, but would never want to rate them.

And - no ratings would prevent further under/overrated discussions.


I can't disagree with you at all since you've got yourself that avatar, from which you're looking at me like that! Angry Tongue
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Originally posted by hobocamp hobocamp wrote:

 
Touche. Or should I say douche? 

Flips coin 

Douche it is! 

I don't give a rats ass about your passion, bravery, tenure or special relationships with other members. But when you post erronous facts to support your arguments and draw false conclusions or misrepresent others' statements then it's not an opinion it's just incorrect

Again you imply gay relations?

Please tell me why my arguments and conclusions are erroneous? Because you say so? Because your daddy or tutor told you you were right?

Your whole argument was Pink Floyd is overrated because they were mainstrem Unhappy

Why are they mainstream? According to whom? Which are your bases for that affirmation?

BTW: Your language is very mature (sarcasm)

Originally posted by hobocamp hobocamp wrote:

I like you T. Ivan too when his panties aren't twisted.

Again sexual implications?

Have your daddy or tutor signed the permission for you to join the site...Because you don't sound older than ten.

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BTW: At least for me, is enough of this nonsense.

Iván
            
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Points: 525 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2011 at 13:58
Look at your post from yesterday at 23:17.

Look up "argument from authority."
Also look up "ad hominem " while you're at it.
You may be older but your arguements are full of logical pitfalls and personal attacks.


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Originally posted by Harmonium.ro Harmonium.ro wrote:

I can't disagree with you at all since you've got yourself that avatar, from which you're looking at me like that! Angry Tongue

LOL

Exactly what I intended..

I came to realize that Roman Jakobson, this gentleman,

made all my posts about linguistics.

Now I'm just a dumb blonde with blocked ears and I intend to act that way Tongue
 


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Originally posted by hobocamp hobocamp wrote:

Look at your post from yesterday at 23:17.

Look up "argument from authority."
Also look up " " while you're at it.
You may be older but your arguements are full of logical pitfalls.


Ths is my post

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Well, less see:

  1. Genesis golden era finished in 1974 when The Lamb was released
  2. The last 100% prog album (that we all agree) was released in 1976 - 1977
  3. Very few of the Progheads here are old enough to have seen them on stage
  4. The production of their first album sucks (Up to Nursery Cryme).
  5. Many people has prejudices against the Pop era
  6. There are no decent videos from the Golden era unlike Yes, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, ELP, Jethro Tull etc.
  7. They were unpopular in their heyday in comparison with all the other major Prog bands (At least in UK because they were N° 1 in Italy)
  8. They have been the main influence for a whole sub-genre
  9. Lately there seems to be a campaign against Gabriel era
But still 
  1. They are the most popular Prog band here and in every Prog site that has polls or forums (I visited them all) except in DDD and Scarulfi where only one person does the rankings.
  2. They are recognized by every piece of Prog literature as one of the most respected and influential Prog bands.
  3. Most of the modern Symphonic (and other genres)  bands claim that Genesis was one of the most important influences in their career.
And still, with all the odds against them, they have usually one album in the top of every Prog ranking and at least three more albums in the top 20?

How can they be overrated?

They got the respect they earned and deserve...At least IMO.

Iván


It's a structured argument step by step.

I see no "Ad Hominem argument" I simply enumerate one by one the characteristics of Genesis that differentiate them from others, this characteristics are not my opinion or invented, they are all facts that can be verified..

Much less any argument from authority, I never said or implied statement is correct because it's made by a person or source that is commonly regarded as authoritative, the mention of other suites is only a reference to what the Prog community as a majority believe, the rest off the arguments are mine..

Before you use complex words...Learn what they mean

If you want to criticize it you can.....But with arguments.

Now, this was my last post, in this thread, because I won't loose my time with people who come to a Prog site to criticize a Prog band only because they like others and with no arguments.

Iván


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Oh I get it. Everything you post is intended as sarcasm. You can't possibly say that 1 and 2 are not being posited as establised facts because you say they are.
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OK one more:

1.- Don't you agree that the classical Genesis formation (Also known as the Golden era)  ended when Gabriel left the band after The Lamb?

2.- Wouldn't you accept that the only two post Gabriel albums accepted as Prog by all the members are ATOTT and Wind & Wuthering?  I'm not saying both are the last 100% Prog albums (even when I agree with that position), I say that if you check reviews and posts, there's only full agreement about 2 Prog post Gabriel albums (ATOTT and W&W).

Those are FACTS.

OK, that's all folks for this thread.

Iván.
            
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Sorry Ivan...I could not resist LOL
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