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Al Fleeman 
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 Posted: April 29 2011 at 05:57 |
 Gnomonaut wrote:
Thanks for commenting, Al. I checked your stuff out and thought it sounded great. Not as riff-centered and edgy as ours, but it definitely takes the listener to a great place.
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My pleasure. This thread is great for recommendations, but there's precious little feedback (which I, and you too I guess, really need), so many thanks for your comments!
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'The Water is Wide Variations'
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Formentera Lady
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Posted: April 29 2011 at 02:55 |
 about Harmonium.ru and Snow Dog! Now I know how you came to over 17000 or 22000 posts, respectively!  To OP:
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The other part of my question that I guess wasn't really addressed was this: What elements do these bands use to convey their concept, and what are some examples that do this well? |
I am not sure, what you mean. Do you mean, which musical techniques are used? I think, there is always a good starting point to listen, how classical composers did it, like e.g. Stravinsky - Le sacre du printemps
Mussorgsky - Pictures at an Exhibition and the already mentioned Prokofiev: Peter and the Wolf just to hear how the composers create certain atmospheres and connect certain instruments to actors/animals.
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ProgressiveAttic
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Posted: April 29 2011 at 01:41 |
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Does Return to Forever's Romantic Warrior count? It is quite cohesive and the titles of the tracks have some relationship between each other...
Gryphon's Red Queen to Gryphon Three
Xin Sa's Création de l'Univers
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wilmon91
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Posted: April 22 2011 at 11:32 |
Godspeed You!Black Emperor - YANQUI U.X.O. (2002)
Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas To Heaven (2000)
Great stuff.
I think that movie soundtracks can be seen as conceptual as well. At least it's an interesting source if you like instrumental concept albums. I'm not saying that all film scores are like conceptual albums, most of it is made for functioning as background music to enhance the visuals. But the best soundtracks can stand on their own, independent of the movie.
"Alfred The Great" by Raymond Leppard is a favourite of mine. Orchestral soundtrack in medieval style, not very good recording quality though. I also like Vangelis 1492, and Blade Runner. Also Ryuichi Sakamoto's "Silk". I could recommend more, but its not a film score thread after all.
Edited by wilmon91 - April 22 2011 at 11:33
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 21 2011 at 15:56 |
harmonium.ro wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
chopper wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
irrelevant wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
Instrumental Concept albums?
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That is the thread title...the truth is in the detail. |
Why should it matter if it's an instrumental band or not? So long as the albums mentioned are instrumental concept albums why would it be a problem? |
It isn't a problem for me. Believe me. I couldn't give a toss. |
I wish I hadn't started it now, but I was just pointing out that the OP clearly stated instrumental bands, so I assumed he meant bands that only recorded instrumentals, which Camel clearly are not.
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Actually no, the OP came back to say he didn't mean exclusively instrumental bands, just instrumental albums (see above)
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You can't claim you knew that sorry. |
I made that claim before he returned to clear things.
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yes I know. I was there. But you couldn't know his intentions. It turns out you were right, but i was always technically correct. It was the fault of a badly worded post. Not my error.
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Gnomonaut
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Posted: April 21 2011 at 15:50 |
Thanks for commenting, Al. I checked your stuff out and thought it sounded great. Not as riff-centered and edgy as ours, but it definitely takes the listener to a great place.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: April 21 2011 at 13:48 |
Snow Dog wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
chopper wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
irrelevant wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
Instrumental Concept albums?
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That is the thread title...the truth is in the detail. |
Why should it matter if it's an instrumental band or not? So long as the albums mentioned are instrumental concept albums why would it be a problem? |
It isn't a problem for me. Believe me. I couldn't give a toss. |
I wish I hadn't started it now, but I was just pointing out that the OP clearly stated instrumental bands, so I assumed he meant bands that only recorded instrumentals, which Camel clearly are not.
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Actually no, the OP came back to say he didn't mean exclusively instrumental bands, just instrumental albums (see above)
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You can't claim you knew that sorry. |
I made that claim before he returned to clear things.
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Posted: April 21 2011 at 13:46 |
Tetrafusion - Absolute Zero
Porcupine Tree - Voyage 34 (some narration)
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Posted: April 21 2011 at 13:34 |
harmonium.ro wrote:
chopper wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
irrelevant wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
Instrumental Concept albums?
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That is the thread title...the truth is in the detail. |
Why should it matter if it's an instrumental band or not? So long as the albums mentioned are instrumental concept albums why would it be a problem? |
It isn't a problem for me. Believe me. I couldn't give a toss. |
I wish I hadn't started it now, but I was just pointing out that the OP clearly stated instrumental bands, so I assumed he meant bands that only recorded instrumentals, which Camel clearly are not.
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Actually no, the OP came back to say he didn't mean exclusively instrumental bands, just instrumental albums (see above)
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You can't claim you knew that sorry.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: April 21 2011 at 13:33 |
Snow Dog wrote:
chopper wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
irrelevant wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
Instrumental Concept albums?
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That is the thread title...the truth is in the detail. |
Why should it matter if it's an instrumental band or not? So long as the albums mentioned are instrumental concept albums why would it be a problem? |
It isn't a problem for me. Believe me. I couldn't give a toss. |
I wish I hadn't started it now, but I was just pointing out that the OP clearly stated instrumental bands, so I assumed he meant bands that only recorded instrumentals, which Camel clearly are not.
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It's OK. I like a lively pedantic discussion. |
Much better than an ideological or religious debate IMO.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: April 21 2011 at 13:31 |
chopper wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
irrelevant wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
Instrumental Concept albums?
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That is the thread title...the truth is in the detail. |
Why should it matter if it's an instrumental band or not? So long as the albums mentioned are instrumental concept albums why would it be a problem? |
It isn't a problem for me. Believe me. I couldn't give a toss. |
I wish I hadn't started it now, but I was just pointing out that the OP clearly stated instrumental bands, so I assumed he meant bands that only recorded instrumentals, which Camel clearly are not.
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Actually no, the OP came back to say he didn't mean exclusively instrumental bands, just instrumental albums (see above)
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Negoba
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Posted: April 21 2011 at 12:54 |
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Pat Metheny's "The Way Up" is a monster record and I think certainly qualifies.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 21 2011 at 12:46 |
chopper wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
irrelevant wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
Instrumental Concept albums?
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That is the thread title...the truth is in the detail. |
Why should it matter if it's an instrumental band or not? So long as the albums mentioned are instrumental concept albums why would it be a problem? |
It isn't a problem for me. Believe me. I couldn't give a toss. |
I wish I hadn't started it now, but I was just pointing out that the OP clearly stated instrumental bands, so I assumed he meant bands that only recorded instrumentals, which Camel clearly are not.
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It's OK. I like a lively pedantic discussion.
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chopper
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Posted: April 21 2011 at 12:44 |
Snow Dog wrote:
irrelevant wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
Instrumental Concept albums?
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That is the thread title...the truth is in the detail. |
Why should it matter if it's an instrumental band or not? So long as the albums mentioned are instrumental concept albums why would it be a problem? |
It isn't a problem for me. Believe me. I couldn't give a toss. |
I wish I hadn't started it now, but I was just pointing out that the OP clearly stated instrumental bands, so I assumed he meant bands that only recorded instrumentals, which Camel clearly are not.
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Al Fleeman
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Posted: April 21 2011 at 11:51 |
I've always really enjoyed 'Slow Dance' by Anthony Phillips. Don't really know if you'd call it 'concept' - but the music has a recurring theme.
And please check out my album, 'The Water is Wide Variations', which just happens to be an instrumental concept album (choose cd over downloads for full musical effect and 12-page booklet). It's already receiving glowing comments/airplay on internet radio ('The Dividing Line', 'Aural Moon'). If you like your prog on the classical/ambient side, it could be for you - listen at alfleeman.com
To Gnomonaut - I enjoyed listening. To be honest, I like my music with more of an emotional tug, but there are some really interesting riffs/phrases going on.
Al.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: April 21 2011 at 08:11 |
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^ I'd love to!
Peter And The Wolf has spoken parts between sections if I'm not wrong, I liked the album but I remember not finding it a great achievement concept-wise.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 21 2011 at 07:24 |
harmonium.ro wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
RE Snowgoose, I think it's a concept album even if it's fully instrumental because the way the themes and motifs are developed and re-deployed in various parts of the ensemble actually create a "narration" of sorts.
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Buy the book and you get the story. |
Interesting. Does the musical narration manage to emulate that from the book? That would be quite an achievement.
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I think so. More or less. As I said originally it was meant to have narration from the book between the tracks I believe or maybe over the sound in parts. The estate of the author wouldn't allow it though. I do have a BBC radio play of it though, which I could send to you if you want.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: April 21 2011 at 07:18 |
Snow Dog wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
RE Snowgoose, I think it's a concept album even if it's fully instrumental because the way the themes and motifs are developed and re-deployed in various parts of the ensemble actually create a "narration" of sorts.
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Buy the book and you get the story. |
Interesting. Does the musical narration manage to emulate that from the book? That would be quite an achievement.
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Oltrelogo
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Posted: April 21 2011 at 05:48 |
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think it's a concept album even if it's fully instrumental because the ways the
themes and motifs are developed and re-deployed in various parts of the group
actually create a telling of sorts.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 21 2011 at 03:32 |
harmonium.ro wrote:
RE Snowgoose, I think it's a concept album even if it's fully instrumental because the way the themes and motifs are developed and re-deployed in various parts of the ensemble actually create a "narration" of sorts.
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Buy the book and you get the story.
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