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Posted: July 21 2011 at 05:35
One more for BSS.
If this were a discussion about favourite ELP albums, it would probably be different, but for getting into their music, I find BSS to be the most accessable, although Toccata could prove a bit of a challenge at first.
Nothing at all against the other first 4 albums, they're all brilliant, but for someone looking to get aquainted with ELP the first album and Trilogy might prove a bit dark, and Tarkus a bit too chaotic. And Pictures at an Exhibition is a bit too un-ELP-ish. Sounds weird, this being practically their signature piece, but it's not really very much like anything else they've done.
By the way, I'm quite fond of Love Beach (the Show-Your-Weeny-To-The-World album).
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Posted: July 21 2011 at 14:41
BBS or self titled are the best!
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Posted: July 21 2011 at 16:11
I wonder if ELP themselves weren't too fond of Trilogy, reason being that apart from Hoedown, Welcome Back didn't contain any tracks from that album (or any other of their live releases either, come to think of it). And Hoedown's not exactly the showcase from trilogy.
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Posted: July 21 2011 at 16:45
Picture could has been as good as the three others but it failed because Emerson is a fantastic instrumentalist ( Organ and Piano ) but not quite a Moog master and especialy when playing it on stage at the time, to my ears those parts realy spoiled the album
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Posted: July 22 2011 at 01:40
jean-marie wrote:
Picture could has been as good as the three others but it failed because Emerson is a fantastic instrumentalist ( Organ and Piano ) but not quite a Moog master and especialy when playing it on stage at the time, to my ears those parts realy spoiled the album
He did tend to use it as a novelty toy rather rather than a musical instrument in the early days although the solo on The Old Castle is the reason I became an ELP fan and opened my eyes (and ears) to the magnificient potential of the synthesiser in rock music.
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Posted: July 22 2011 at 12:07
npjnpj wrote:
I wonder if ELP themselves weren't too fond of Trilogy, reason being that apart from Hoedown, Welcome Back didn't contain any tracks from that album (or any other of their live releases either, come to think of it). And Hoedown's not exactly the showcase from trilogy.
Shame, badly underrepresented, I find.
In an interview Greg Lake stated that Trilogy was his favorite album, but you're right, it's under represented in their live performances. Probably because most of their audience prefere BSS and Tarkus.
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Posted: July 22 2011 at 12:12
npjnpj wrote:
I wonder if ELP themselves weren't too fond of Trilogy, reason being that apart from Hoedown, Welcome Back didn't contain any tracks from that album (or any other of their live releases either, come to think of it). And Hoedown's not exactly the showcase from trilogy.
Shame, badly underrepresented, I find.
I don't think it was released officially, but they did do stuff from Trilogy live
Also The Sheriff is on Welcome back...
Edited by Slaughternalia - July 22 2011 at 12:14
I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't
Much of the material on Trilogy wasn't played live simply because they couldn't replicate the numerous parts overdubbed by Keith in the studio. The title track was never performed live and Abaddon's Bolero was abandoned after an attempt to play along with a backing track on stage went disastrously wrong. The Endless Enigma was performed on a European leg of the tour but seems to have been dropped pretty quickly from the set. (Judging by bootlegs available from around this time, the live version featured a significantly altered melody sung by Lake)
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Posted: July 23 2011 at 02:54
ExittheLemming wrote:
Much of the material on Trilogy wasn't played live simply because they couldn't replicate the numerous parts overdubbed by Keith in the studio. The title track was never performed live and Abaddon's Bolero was abandoned after an attempt to play along with a backing track on stage went disastrously wrong. The Endless Enigma was performed on a European leg of the tour but seems to have been dropped pretty quickly from the set. (Judging by bootlegs available from around this time, the live version featured a significantly altered melody sung by Lake)
You are correct accept that Trilogy was attempted live. Apparently Keith Emerson though did not regard it as a proper performance. I have heard it though and it was a decent attempt.
Another possible reason why Trilogy didn't feature in live shows was that Greg Lake's voice dropped an octave or two soon after due to his smoking habit. Caused may issues and even Karn Evil 9 had to be re-scored by Emerson for live shows so the version that is on Welcome Back is not exactly like the version on the album (quite noticeably to my ears)
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Posted: July 23 2011 at 06:49
Slaughternalia wrote:
Actually come to think of it f**k the studio albums. Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends is all you'll need by ELP. they play WAY better on that then any studio album IMO. Plus it has pretty much all their best stuff
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