Equal Ratings: dredg vs Ritual |
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JS19
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Topic: Equal Ratings: dredg vs Ritual Posted: November 28 2011 at 10:34 |
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No it doesn't. If you went into the same depth as you did with THVB you could make just as good a case for Dredg. How much have you actually listened to Dredg? They might surprise you if you just open your mind a tad.
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omphaloskepsis
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 6005 |
Posted: November 28 2011 at 08:58 | |
Ritual
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stewe
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Czechoslovakia Status: Offline Points: 593 |
Posted: November 28 2011 at 04:58 | |
Ritual is IMO totally not the case of regressive retro bands (as Unitopia, Glass Hammer, Phideaux even some Swedish bands which incline to this tedium as Kaipa or The Flower Kings etc.)
On 'Hemulic Voluntary Band' they are clearly influenced by Gentle Giant, maybe by Gryphon or Yes/Beatles when it comes to melodic sense. It's not a bad thing, because they still bring totally fresh music, into which they are able incorporate alternative/modern elements to their folk-prog roots (check out their 'Think Like a Mountain' album). They are looking for new sound, experiment. From this point of view they remind rather bands like Pain of Salvation or Porcupine Tree. The swedish folk atmosphere and palette of their instruments makes is it very distintive, with the help of amazing voice, and mainly - original compositional approach, top-notch musicianship. Their music is pure joy as well as emotional experience.
Dregd is is not bad, great musicians as well, however their alternative/indie/post sound makes their music more generic. |
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Proggernaut
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Posted: November 28 2011 at 02:08 | |
^ that is good posting!
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Proggernaut (Noun) - one who is exploring the endlessly expanding universe of progressive music.
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The Quiet One
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
Posted: November 27 2011 at 22:50 | |
Agreed. Prog fans who find new bands that incorporate new sounds to the prog circles, non-prog, while they keep on listening to retro-ish bands that what they most do is imitate the 70s classics. I don't have a problem with the retro style, some I even like, but those who have a rather alt. rock sound in comparison, sound way better to me and fresher in prog terms. BTW: I'm not a Dredg fan.
Edited by The Quiet One - November 27 2011 at 22:52 |
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Earendil
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Posted: November 27 2011 at 22:42 | |
I love the Christmas theme on the avatars, gents.
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Proggernaut
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Posted: November 27 2011 at 21:28 | |
I'm so with you on this - I'd probably even listen to Leitmotif more than El Cielo. Having said that I'm going to go and listen to El Cielo now......
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Proggernaut (Noun) - one who is exploring the endlessly expanding universe of progressive music.
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A Person
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Posted: November 27 2011 at 18:53 | |
Definitely prefer El Cielo.
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The Miracle
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 29 2005 Location: hell Status: Offline Points: 28427 |
Posted: November 27 2011 at 16:37 | |
They aren't. Dredg are a prog band. El Cielo is a prog album. This has been discussed to death. Prog doesn't have to mean symphonic prog. That's a very narrow minded understanding of the concept. If Ritual is so progressive, why do they just rehash the ideas that were done to death 40 years ago, and done better? Edited by The Miracle - November 27 2011 at 16:43 |
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Sheavy
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Posted: November 27 2011 at 16:36 | |
I know which one I'm voting for.
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Sheavy
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Posted: November 27 2011 at 16:33 | |
haha. I was referring to songs.
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Horizons
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Posted: November 27 2011 at 16:30 | |
The album shown.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Sheavy
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Posted: November 27 2011 at 16:29 | |
Whats good by Ritual?
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Horizons
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Posted: November 27 2011 at 16:27 | |
They were progressive.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Wanorak
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Posted: November 27 2011 at 16:24 | |
BTW, I didn't mean to single out alternative rock. I listen to some bands. I just don't know why alt. rock bands, classic rock bands and heavy metal bands are on the Progarchives??
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A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!!
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Wanorak
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Posted: November 27 2011 at 12:37 | |
Yes, but the Hemulic Voluntary Band is full on prog glory IMO. One of the best prog albums of the last few years. I wish they would leave the alternative rock acts off this forum
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A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!!
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JS19
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 10 2010 Location: Lancaster, UK Status: Offline Points: 1321 |
Posted: November 27 2011 at 04:12 | |
But I like both Catch Without Arms and The Pariah, The Parrot and the Delusion more than El Cielo....
I still don't understand why I'm in the minority, although El Cielo is a great album.
That has nothing to do with which is better. I don't think Dredg is prog either, but they're still brilliant.
Edited by JS19 - November 27 2011 at 04:13 |
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snowsnow
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Posted: November 27 2011 at 04:05 | |
Ritual.
The track "The dangerous journey" is a great 26 minute epic that I still play on a regular basis.
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Wanorak
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Posted: November 26 2011 at 21:41 | |
I love the Ritual album, one of my faves from that year. Dredg leave me cold; very alt. rock IMO.
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A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!!
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memowakeman
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Posted: November 26 2011 at 19:10 | |
El Cielo
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