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Poll Question: What's your favourite KC track with distinctive acoustic guitar?
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Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Cirkus. But I don't know whether it is Spanish or Acoustic guitar.
Listen closely.  Does Fripp play a "C" or a "si" ?
 
Never mind, but C is "do" (and "si" is B).
"Spanish" or "classical" guitar is one of the basic types (we can say archetype) of acoustic guitars. These terms may coincide to someone, but in principle, their sounds are very similar.  Different types of acoustic guitars distinct mainly in size, by the number of strings or tuning. A  vastly different is the sound of various steel or resophonic guitars. (However, I don't remember, something like that was ever used by Robert Fripp.)

Not quite right.  An acoustic guitar has a narrower neck than a Spanish/Classical guitar. Probably the same width as an  electric. Spanish guitar does sound different to acoustic though. So I suspect Cirkus has acoustic guitar. As do all of these I suspect.




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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Cirkus. But I don't know whether it is Spanish or Acoustic guitar.
Listen closely.  Does Fripp play a "C" or a "si" ?
 
Never mind, but C is "do" (and "si" is B).
"Spanish" or "classical" guitar is one of the basic types (we can say archetype) of acoustic guitars. These terms may coincide to someone, but in principle, their sounds are very similar.  Different types of acoustic guitars distinct mainly in size, by the number of strings or tuning. A  vastly different is the sound of various steel or resophonic guitars. (However, I don't remember, something like that was ever used by Robert Fripp.)

Not quite right.  An acoustic guitar has a narrower neck than a Spanish/Classical guitar. Probably the same width as an  electric. Spanish guitar does sound different to acoustic though.
But that doesn't exclude my previous statement at all!
 
By the way, if we take into consideration that the Spanish guitar is a subtype of acoustic guitar, it  cannot sound differently in principle. Example: alto is a subtype of the female voice, so sounds like a female voice. The male voice, on the other hand, sounds significantly different.
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During invent the title of this poll I thought about a kind of "Acousting Crimson ". Finally, I found "Spanishing" as a nicer and more convenient term. Namely, "Acousting" can also mean "Unplugged". And I was thinking about distinctive acoustic,  respectively Spanish guitar. Enough?
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2012 at 14:57
Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Cirkus. But I don't know whether it is Spanish or Acoustic guitar.
Listen closely.  Does Fripp play a "C" or a "si" ?
 
Never mind, but C is "do" (and "si" is B).
"Spanish" or "classical" guitar is one of the basic types (we can say archetype) of acoustic guitars. These terms may coincide to someone, but in principle, their sounds are very similar.  Different types of acoustic guitars distinct mainly in size, by the number of strings or tuning. A  vastly different is the sound of various steel or resophonic guitars. (However, I don't remember, something like that was ever used by Robert Fripp.)

Not quite right.  An acoustic guitar has a narrower neck than a Spanish/Classical guitar. Probably the same width as an  electric. Spanish guitar does sound different to acoustic though.
But that doesn't exclude my previous statement at all!
 
By the way, if we take into consideration that the Spanish guitar is a subtype of acoustic guitar, it  cannot sound differently in principle. Example: alto is a subtype of the female voice, so sounds like a female voice. The male voice, on the other hand, sounds significantly different.

Please yourself. But they do sound different.
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None of these tracks feature guitar that is "spanish" in any way
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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

None of these tracks feature guitar that is "spanish" in any way
Never mind. I've explained it above... Nevertheless, I think the poll question is obvious.
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Your poll is flawed! *gasp*
Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Cirkus. But I don't know whether it is Spanish or Acoustic guitar.


Listen closely.  Does Fripp play a "C" or a "si" ?

 
Never mind, but C is "do" (and "si" is B).

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Not quite right.  An acoustic guitar has a narrower neck than a Spanish/Classical guitar. Probably the same width as an  electric. Spanish guitar does sound different to acoustic though.

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Spanish or Classical guitar for that matter sounds different from an acoustic guitar, they are built differently and are using a different set of strings. If I remember correctly Cirkus contains Spanish guitar and not acoustic, but I'll have to check it out later.
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Your poll is flawed! *gasp*
Your shout is useless! *splash*
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What the hell happened here??
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What the hell happened here??
Nothing substantial.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Supertramp instead of KC? Hell no.

It's debatable whether KC have done 4 classic albums - ITCOFCK is, Red is, Discipline is, debatably Starless and In the Wake of - Supertramp HAVE: Crime of the Century, Breakfast, Crisis, Even. HELL YES.
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Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Originally posted by sagichim sagichim wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Supertramp instead of KC? Hell no.


Hell no no no no no no no no no....
Hell no for eleventh!!!
 
The same case as Pavlov's Dog. I can't really stand that annoying Surkamp's voice.
 
And Kayak? 3rd league or what?


Pavlov's Dog - both their two albums are classics - criminally underrated.

Kayak - I personally think they have made some classic albums (definitely classic songs) but the point is: both these bands have arguably more HEART in their music, hence stop talking quite so much about KC, give other bands their due.
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Originally posted by musicbandit musicbandit wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Supertramp instead of KC? Hell no.

It's debatable whether KC have done 4 classic albums - ITCOFCK is, Red is, Discipline is, debatably Starless and In the Wake of - Supertramp HAVE: Crime of the Century, Breakfast, Crisis, Even. HELL YES.

Supertramp haven't even made one good album.Cool
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by musicbandit musicbandit wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Supertramp instead of KC? Hell no.

It's debatable whether KC have done 4 classic albums - ITCOFCK is, Red is, Discipline is, debatably Starless and In the Wake of - Supertramp HAVE: Crime of the Century, Breakfast, Crisis, Even. HELL YES.

Supertramp haven't even made one good album.Cool
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Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by musicbandit musicbandit wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Supertramp instead of KC? Hell no.

It's debatable whether KC have done 4 classic albums - ITCOFCK is, Red is, Discipline is, debatably Starless and In the Wake of - Supertramp HAVE: Crime of the Century, Breakfast, Crisis, Even. HELL YES.

Supertramp haven't even made one good album.Cool
when i joined PA Crime was on top 10 in PA , now they are in top 30, genious album, a real gem of art rock




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