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 Posted: May 30 2012 at 05:45 |
Here's a related anecdote. So, after holding on for a long time in order to give her a decent education in 60s/70s classic rock and folk, I finally let my girlfriend listen to ITCOTCK yesterday. I kept telling her to be receptive to the huge break it meant from '60s music, and I even made a preliminary playlist for that day consisting of '68/early '69 albums (Rolling Stones, Beatles, Zeppelin, Jeff Beck, Pink Floyd, Moody Blues, Van Morrison, Pretty Things, etc.) - only to realize, while listening to ITCOTCK, that the affinities are stronger than the break, in fact, and the break is in details that will only be better revealed with hindsight (getting to know '70s prog and the direction that KC later took). She loved it and asked why the hell did I keep it hidden for so long. 
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 04:26 |
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^ Top notch! Thanks! I'll check out all of this first thing in the morning.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - May 30 2012 at 04:32
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 04:21 |
Also check out the film clips of the artists talking about the most proggish albums.
Worth checking the clips of Anderson, and Stolte, if nothing else.
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 04:08 |
Theres always a Prog compilation this one is not the ultimate by any means but theres enough on here to show what you can expect in the Prog genre one of the cheapest and the best is
This is a unique 2 CD compilation packed with masterpieces of the progressive rock genres from EMI, Century Media and Super Ball's catalogues. Includes original legends of the genre such as Jethro Tull, Barclay James Harvest, Van Der Graaf Generator Steve Hackett and contemporary stars such as including Oceansize, The Flower Kings, Riverside and The Tangent. The Tracklist has been compiled with the help of Classic Presents Prog magazine’s editor, Jerry Ewing, who also contributed the sleeves notes. With an affordable low price, Prog Rocks offers a broad insight into the delights of progressive music! Tracklisting 1. Cross Eyed Mary - Jethro Tull
2. Darkness (11/11) [2005 - Remaster] - Van Der Graaf Generator
3. Sympathy - Rare Bird
4. Bird Has Flown (2000 - Remaster) - Deep Purple
5. Country Pie / Brandenburg Concerto No. 6 (Live) [2009 - Remaster] - The Nice
6. Mocking Bird (2002 - Remaster) - Barclay James Harvest
7. If There Is Something (1999 - Remaster) - Roxy Music
8. Look At Me Now (2001 - Remaster) - Electric Light Orchestra
9. I Never Glid Before (2004 - Remaster) - Gong
10. The Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear In Smoke) [1996 - Remaster] - Hawkwind
11. Madhouse - Eloy
12. Ace Of Wands (2005 - Remaster) - Steve Hackett
13. The Yes No Interlude - Hatfield And The North
14. On Reflection - Gentle Giant
1. Rubycon (Part One) [Excerpt] [2000 - Remaster] - Tangerine Dream
2. Blue (2008 - Remaster) - Kevin Ayers
3. Garden Party (1997 - Remaster) - Marillion
4. Dance Through The Fire - Pallas
5. Trail Of Fire - Oceansize
6. Monkey Business - The Flower Kings
7. Black Light Machine - Frost
8. A Crisis In Mid Life - The Tangent
9. Comatose - Ayreon
10. Future Perfect Tense - Sweet Billy Pilgrim
11. Frequency - IQ
12. Tightrope - Beardfish
13. The Wasteland - ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead |
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 03:48 |
^ Out of all these I would seriously consider DSOTM and "Shine On" (since my mother grew up with the latter, although time passed by and she didn't seem to be very enthused with it).
A little refresher:
 Dayvenkirq wrote:
... something that's NOT ELECTRIC-guitar driven, something abundant with melody, something that has meaningful (profound, but not in a cheesy or commonsensical way) lyrics and doesn't [necessarily] demonstrate instrumental prowess so much.
I don't want to convert her [my mother] (I hate the word in this context, 'cause we are not religious fanatics), I just want her to understand the genre to at least a slight extent. |
Edited by Dayvenkirq - May 30 2012 at 03:49
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 03:38 |
TRY the following I would say as an intro to Prog.
I would say from my prog experience that there are 7 wonders of the prog world in the way of songs: Van Der Graaf Generator's 'A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers', Yes' 'Close To The Edge', ELP's 'Karn Evil 9', King Crimson's '21st Century Schizoid Man', Pink Floyd's 'Shine On', Rush's '2112', and Genesis' 'Supper's Ready'. The seven wonders of the prog world in the way of albums are similar as far as I am concerned: Van Der Graaf Generator's "Pawn Hearts", Yes' "Close To The Edge", ELP's "Brain Salad Surgery", King Crimson's "In The Court of The Crimson King", Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of The Moon", Jethro Tull's "Thick As A Brick", and Genesis' "Foxtrot".
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 03:32 |
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I highly suggest you not to start with Avant-prog and Eclectic Prog, as she will be extremely disappointed.
Especially, avoid Larks' (Part I and II), I mainly do not recommend King Crimson for start, but if you really want that, Epitaph or In The Wake of The Poseidon would be much better than others KC tracks which are much complex.
Edited by nima1024 - May 30 2012 at 03:33
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 03:27 |
smartpatrol wrote:
Cardiacs - A Little Man and a House and the Whole World Window |
RIO/Avant-Prog? I doubt that.
smartpatrol wrote:
Captain Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica |
Too weird.
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King Crimson - Larks Tounges in Aspic |
Too hard and heavy. But I'll see how she will respond to "Exiles".
Edited by Dayvenkirq - May 30 2012 at 03:28
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 02:24 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
OK, how about this: my mother keeps listening to this guy Phillip Phillips from the American Idol, and she keeps listening to him out loud, and she even sent me an e-mail with a link to his performance. That's just being obtrusive.
BTW, she enjoys Whitney Houston and, yeah, those freaking songs done by Phillip Phillips. She doesn't seem to care much for The Beatles. She heard Yes' "Your Move/I've Seen All Good People" several times and wasn't really impressed. She was very annoyed with Argent's "Hold Your Head Up". I played on YouTube that piano bit Tony Banks played during an interview that back in the day became the theme for the piano and flute from "Firth of Fifth", and she is all like, phlegmatically: "That's easy to play". Nor was she impressed with Banks' keyboard work in the intro of "The Lamb" (the title track): "Oh, yeah, that's tough to play". She also doesn't seem to care much for that famous memorable guitar line from SOYCD where the drums start.
Oh, and yeah, I played Popol Vuh's "Ah!" off of "Hosianna Mantra" and PF's "A Saucerful of Secrets" (the title track), and she commented: "Madman's music".
Please, somebody help me out to get her freaking mind off of the freaking Phillip Phillips. It's becoming a real problem now. |
Cardiacs - A Little Man and a House and the Whole World Window Captain Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica King Crimson - Larks Tounges in Aspic
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 01:25 |
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I will start with EL&P Tarkus Rush's 2112 or Moving Pictures Dream Theater's Images and Words Yes Tales from Topographic Oceans Genesis The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway |
Sorry, I don't think much of this will work. Long stuff and electric-guitar-driven songs, as I mentioned far up above, won't do.
Good call on "The Lamb", though. I'm actually considering playing her "The Lamia" or "In the Rapids" (no, the latter probably won't impress her) or something like that, or maybe some of the short stuff off of "Tarkus" (the album).
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Dayvenkirq wrote:
Also, it has to be something that's not monotonous.
Edit: I forgot to mention that she hated "Inner Mounting Flame" by the Mahavishnu Orchestra. ??? She hated the fast stuff and the loud guitar. |
Of course she did, you should've played Birds of Fire, I would never play IMF to a Maha virgin, waaaaay too out there. She was right to hate it.
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I will consider that ... although I hate it when artists/bands make grotesque twins.
No, wait ... she is not into jazz, let alone jazz-rock.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - May 30 2012 at 01:29
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 23:37 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Also, it has to be something that's not monotonous.
Edit: I forgot to mention that she hated "Inner Mounting Flame" by the Mahavishnu Orchestra. ??? She hated the fast stuff and the loud guitar.
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Of course she did, you should've played Birds of Fire, I would never play IMF to a Maha virgin, waaaaay too out there. She was right to hate it.
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 23:19 |
I will start with EL&P Tarkus Rush's 2112 or Moving Pictures Dream Theater's Images and Words Yes Tales from Topographic Oceans Genesis The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
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Playing a three-hour Rush show is like running a marathon while solving equations.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 16:16 |
Also, it has to be something that's not monotonous.
Edit: I forgot to mention that she hated "Inner Mounting Flame" by the Mahavishnu Orchestra. ??? She hated the fast stuff and the loud guitar.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - May 29 2012 at 16:18
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 16:12 |
^  . Will check it out.
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 16:11 |
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This may sound cheesy, but for introducing prog to a pop-rock listener in a soft way I think that Moon Safari's Blomljud can be an effective album. It's actually melodic pop-rock with good prog structure and arrangements.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 16:11 |
Oh, how about this: something that's NOT ELECTRIC-guitar driven, something abundant with melody, something that has meaningful (profound, but not in a cheesy or commonsensical way) lyrics and doesn't demonstrate instrumental prowess so much.
I don't want to convert her (I hate the word in this context, 'cause we are not religious fanatics), I just want her to understand the genre to at least a slight extent.
Now that I think about it, nima1024's recommendations fit the bill.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - May 29 2012 at 16:14
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 15:42 |
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I'd just give someone Close to the Edge and tell them to listen to it and do nothing else. Just through them right into prog. |
I also thought at it first, but the thing is that it's a long album and it might be hard for them to hold themselves and listen to the 18-mins masterpiece. We need shorter tracks at first introduction. ;)
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 15:34 |
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I'd just give someone Close to the Edge and tell them to listen to it and do nothing else. Just through them right into prog.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 15:20 |
^ Thank you  . I hope those aren't just tracks that you like, but tracks that can potentially remedy my problem. Thanks so much.
Anyone else?
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 15:10 |
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Yes, some tracks are really very good for start, for example.
- I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)
- Comfortably Numb
- Slow Yourself Down
- Never Let Go
- Owner of a Lonely Heart
- From the Beginning or Lucky Man
If she could handle that, you can go for,
- Dancing With the Moonlit Knight
- Can-Utility and the Coastliners
- Roundabout
- Trilogy (by ELP)
- Lady Fantasy (This is dangerous, as it's much more complex than others. :D)
There are also very good songs to start. ;)
Edited by nima1024 - May 29 2012 at 15:12
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