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Topic: Magma - First 3 Albums: First Impressions Posted: June 11 2012 at 22:12
So I finally got around to listening to Magma. Started off by listening to their first 3 albums: Self-titled (Kobaia), 1001 Degrees Centigrade, and MDK. These are my first impressions...
Really weird and unique musical style these guys have. I have a lot of respect for Vander, creating his own language and story plot that he sticks to through many albums apparently.
My Magma listening journey started off with the song "Kobaia" from their first album, which is by far my favorite Magma song that I've heard yet. What an awesome groove this song has! It sounds like the first part of the song is sung in english. Is this the only song that they have with english/non-kobaian lyrics? Does anybody know where I can find lyrics to this song? Anyway, the rest of the album isn't nearly as memorable or good, IMO.
1001 degrees Centigrade is pretty crazy, but still no memorably melodies really, except for the opening first few minutes of the album. The first song seems almost too complex... way too many tempo/melody changes and the song doesn't seem to go anywhere. The songs after that sound like Soft Machine during parts and have some decent parts.
MDK starts off great (Magma sure were good at starting off albums in a memorable way). Love the opening song, especially the opening few minutes of it. The rest of the album is pretty cool. Very unique album, with all the operatic female singing. I was also very happy to hear guitar in this album that was absent in 1001 Degrees Centigrade.
Anyway, very interesting band that I'll have to listen to more. I think this band is definitely an aquired taste, but I definitely have a lot of respect for their sound.
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Posted: June 12 2012 at 00:28
If you want more groovy Magma tracks, be sure to check out Attahk. Probably the closest they get to outright jazz/funk/rock fusion, some absolute killer tracks there. Especially the opener and closer. Those two tracks are among my favorite Magma tunes...MDK is possibly my favorite Magma album overall.
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Posted: June 14 2012 at 08:31
Hi,
Now that you have had a few days to shake out the cobwebs on your first experience with Magma, here are a couple of notes that you want to take stock in.
1. When listening to things try to not compare it to something else. If all you are looking for in Magma is "melody", because that is the one thing that you can relate to in music, you will miss out on a lot of other details in it.
2. Magma pays its tributes to Coltrane and a few others. Your reference to Soft Machine is rather strange and weird. Soft Machine came from a more intelectual/college/world, whereas Magma from a much more centered artistic definition and design. In many ways, Soft Machine was all improvisation at the start ... and later became a "jazz" band. Magma is NOT a jazz band in that sense, because their material, to be successful, has to be rigidly rehearsed in order for it to work! In this sense, Magma, is quite a classically oriented process, that the majority of rock music does not even consider ... a properly defined and regimented rehearsal, in order to make sure the material is not messed up!
It is, however, really nice that you took the time to take a look at these. I do wish that more people would do that, instead of just listening to a couple of samples and making it look like they know the music, when they have not heard it. In many ways, it has been said that Magma owes more to Carmina Burana, than it does jazz, rock or anything else, but in the end, the style, or type of music is not good enough to describe the work that someone put together. And 40 years later they are still doing it, and magnificently so ... which tells you, that not everyone was interested in pop music, and a process that is the same as anyone else's out there for the sake of "fame and fortune". Which is very important in the end ... to realize that if YOU are composing work that you see and understand, it won't matter if it has fame or fortune or not ... you will just keep doing it.
Magma, came up at a time, when it was accepted to experiment and try different things ... and it worked, not because of their Carmina Burana sounding thing, but because Vander made sure that this was rehearsed, well done ... and prepared ... and you do know that 90% of bands out there can not do that at all, right? And the "progressive" bands are usually the worse at it, btw! Few of them get better in their material than what was done before! But it sure sounds cheap and bad 30 years later! Magma does not 40 years later!
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Posted: June 14 2012 at 18:14
^^^ I heard similarities in 1001 Degrees Centigrade to Soft Machine's Third. One isn't necessarily looking for comparisons, but they come none-the-less. I heard some Carmina Burana (especially "O Fortuna" ) similarities in MDK, but not the earlier albums nearly so much.
Anyway, the albums Kobaia and 1001 Degrees Centigrade are my favourite Magma studio albums, along with Wurdah Itah, though MDK was my first Magma album, and I fell in love with that album. I do love Attahk too. "Nono" in particular is a favourite Magma track of mine.
Though someone may not appreciate that some people like thinking about individual tracks, I'm not like that. I have over 20 Magma albums and do listen to the full albums. Before I heard a full album, it was the track Iss Lansei Doia that really turned me onto Magma. I love its exuberance. Off Kobaia, the one that struck me the most early on was Sohia, as it has this kind of Logan's Run music feel to it in part. I dodn't think there's a bad track on Kobaia, though I do have a few long-time particular favourites -- Sohia, Aurae, and Aina were altogether love at first listen for me.
As for live Magma being best Magma, well seeing them live is best, but the live recordings I don't generally like more than the studio ones (there are exceptions). Given a choice, I would rather save my studio album recordings over the live ones I have (some of which aren't that "live", I think).
One thing I've come to appreciate much more over the years is Christian Vander's vocals. I like it when he sings, and for that there is some great live material.
At some time you might also want to check out the Offering albums (also the Vanders), which I grew to really love.
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 05:00
Hi WatcherOfTheSkies88,
These first 3 LP are very different. The first 2 are mostly jazz/rock while the third is the first Zehul LP ever, also the first with Stella Vander and Jannick Top, a whole new musical direction tracked there.
To a new comer I'd suggest the recent LP, K.A. and Ëmëhntëhtt-Ré (I haven't heard the latest). These two records are the highest of the last decade among all prog genres. K.A. was to me the record of the decade.
Still MDK is the absolute masterpiece in the Zehul style. Happy listening.
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 07:55
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All I'll say is that live Magma is best Magma.
I helped lead a standing ovation in San Francisco in 1999.
I was actually worried about this, not realizing that I had heard many of their live albums ... and thought, that this concert would either be unreal/unbelievably great, or fall flat on its face. Well, sod me ... it only took 2 minutes and you already knew what Magma was all about ... and dang ... what a show! You can only stand there ... in awe ... that someone can do something like this for 2 hours ... and not sound repetitive ... or silly ... and on top of it, bring it about with class, very obvious competence, and intensity ... you could not ask for more!
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 08:11
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Supposedly Vander has claimed he was influenced by Soft Machine.
When we talked, in San Francisco, both him and Stella, we did not talk about "jazz" or "Orff" ... we discussed his vision and how he thought that he might bring it to music. It was a completely different kind of concersation, that Stella actually had more words for it, than he did. He kinda made a reference in passing that he just channels it, which I thought was kinda funny, considering that the "new age" stuff was about to finally come to an end with a big thud at the time.
All in all, I would like to suggest ... that this is a person with a vision ... and he has written that vision into a musical format that has worked out well. It has elements of this and that and this and that, but in the end, it is really difficult to explain and express in words ... I like to say that this is one of those things that ... you DO ... and that's that ... because explaining it is difficult ... it's a different world, with a different language, and different meanings ... and us trying to explain that becomes a sort of Childhood's End that eventually crashes and hurts more than it helps.
Suffice it to say ... that for him, this is more spiritual than anything else ... and us trying to think this or that ... for me, is a bit weird ... we can only express what we see and feel ... but the chances of that being anywhere near the reality? ... small chance at best!
I prefer to let music be ... and live ... and this is one such example. Questioning and trying to define it, is just like that frog in you high school class ... you can dissect it all you want ... except that you just killed the frog!
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 09:37
HolyMoly wrote:
moshkito wrote:
I helped lead a standing ovation in San Francisco in 1999.
I was there too! Best concert I've ever seen. I thought it was cool that Giorgio Gomelsky was there to introduce them.
Was that their first American concert after they regrouped? Seemed like a huge deal at the time.
I was one of the official photographers for the whole thing for Sean Ahearn. The whole set of these pictures is on my website. Porcupine Tree would not allow pictures taken was the only one that was kinda bad ... Buckethead was difficult because you had to take pictures from the side to prevent things from affecting the projections.
I believe this was their first American concert.
Other than Magma, for me the best of all the shows was actually Lana Lane and the Rocket Scientists ... they put together an amazingly clean show, exceptionally well played, and well rehearsed ... and sadly ... not many folks enjoyed it. They deserved a better position in the show to get more attention!
Gomelsky was very nice, and I also took pictures with him and on the party to celebrate Gilly's birthday the next day. The nicest thing about him, when we talked about the music and his choices? ... he made the comment that if he heard the same thing again, that musician would be out the door! And of course, his lineup, even from the early days, showed it!
It's hard to talk about those things here. We have the largest group that appreciates experimentation and improvisation, and someone like Gomelsky helped bring some of that work to life in the name of many artists, but so few of them are actually heard properly and understood. But in the end, it was about ... the unknown ... the unkowable ... the unseen ... the unheard ... and folks like him are too special and important ... to movements like the "progressive" scene ... but I'm not sure that the folks that listen to "progressive" can appreciate Aphrodite's Child, or some of the other bands that Gomelsky also produced and put on the map. But in the end, AC brought us one of the greatest composers of the century in Vangelis!
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 10:03
Yeah, Lana Lane and the Rocket Scientists kind of got a rough reception. They were just so different from all the other bands, it just seemed like an odd fit. I kind of remember them being good though.
Oddly enough, I thought Porcupine Tree was kind of boring. They were just entering their more poppy phase (Stupid Dream), and I wasn't on board with that. Years later I came to appreciate the band's new direction though, and I love the band now (though Stupid Dream is still one of my least favorite albums by them).
Very cool that you got to photograph the event and meet the bands up close. I was writing reviews for "Expose'" Magazine at the time, so I was in the company of some pretty worldly and knowledgeable music fans, from whom I learned a lot (I was much younger than most of them).
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 11:17
Early Magma is best Magma IMHO.
Especially MDK: I quote from my review on my first experience with Magma
Preheat the oven to moderate jazz, rinse the jazz in tribal chants and drain well, combine the mixture with some operatic vocalisations, and stir in a made up Teutonic alien language based on Orff's 'O Fortuna' from "Carmina Burana" over medium heat until completely immersed into the mixture, this will become Kobaian when it is thickened, then cover over with sporadic drumming and virtuoso musicianship, place in oven and cook until the cheese has melted through, any watery radio commercialism must be fully drained out, to serve, spoon the extra flavour of RIO and Krautrock, then top with slices of avant garde and a dollop of Wagnerian Opera, serve immediately. Enjoy your plate of Zeuhl.
My expedition into the murky Zeuhl territory began with Magma's live album that I half noticed in a specialist store. I was slightly disappointed at first as I hoped it would be accessible enough to enjoy. However, somehow the music has the effect of osmosis, it grows on you gradually creeping through your system transporting its gradient effect into your consciousness. The input of energy on this album, the ferociously original approach is astonishing. Nothing can be compared to Magma. 'Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh' is hailed as a Magmasterpiece and for good reason. It broke down barriers of genre creating its own. Jazz infused rock opera would be one way to describe it but it is not sufficient as the language takes this to a different level. The otherworldly language of Kobaian is alienating but somehow appropriate. The iconic symbol emblazened on their shirts and albums is another aspect that seals the mythological essence of the group. An iconography creates that mystique that is so essential to the group.
The room goes dark as soon as you put this on and it is definitely not for the faint hearted. My family heard some of this and were more concerned than fascinated so I have been confined to earphone listening ever since. It is made for headphones too. Nightmarish music to immerse yourself in, with a disturbing edge could appropriately describe this music, although it may have the curious effect of being a source of uplifting encouragement to certain listeners. The tracks run together in a seamless epic. Depending on your mood at the time may depend on your overall impression; let the music take you into which ever direction it decides as personal interpretation is essential in the Magmaverse. The musicianship is tight as a drum and Vander is stunning on drums and vocals, his second instrument, he seems to be the face of Magma, the voice of Magma and the sound of Magma. On track one for example we have a lot of trumpets and a shimmering Hammond sound, I am not sure what it is but we hear chimes, jingles and happy organ. The guitar is very unusual as a background instrument, but the staccato hammering organ is a dominant force. There is a definite beat though it is sporadic.
The vocals are an absolute delight and you will hear Gregorian chanting, choral yelling, high octave shrills and deep resonances. You can even hear words that you think you recognise but it is all an illusion. On the first track for example it sounds like 'he pulls his pants off, he is seen at congress, he's fubar he's fubar, he's all tone deaf, he's a dunce.' Honestly it is that weird it is often hilarious. But the vocals are sung and chanted with such utter conviction it is quite chilling at times. Of special note are the high pitched soprano screeches, which are part of the sound on every album. Vocalists Stella Vander and her estranged husband are the centrifugal force of MDK.
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Posted: June 16 2012 at 00:47
Just listen to and enjoy as much Magma as you possibly can. Perhaps you're intellectualizing it to much. Magma, to me, is all about feeling and emotional expression. Next time you pick up some Magma, close your eyes and just listen. Let the music carry you.
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Posted: June 16 2012 at 03:13
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Early Magma is best Magma IMHO.
...
Preheat the oven to moderate jazz, rinse the jazz in tribal chants and drain well, combine the mixture with some operatic vocalisations, and stir in a made up Teutonic alien language based on Orff's 'O Fortuna' from "Carmina Burana" over medium heat until completely immersed into the mixture, this will become Kobaian when it is thickened, then cover over with sporadic drumming and virtuoso musicianship, place in oven and cook until the cheese has melted through, any watery radio commercialism must be fully drained out, to serve, spoon the extra flavour of RIO and Krautrock, then top with slices of avant garde and a dollop of Wagnerian Opera, serve ...
immediately. Enjoy your plate of Zeuhl.
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Jazz infused rock opera ... Atom ... that is magnificent!
One of the things that was fascinating for me, was watching Magma setup the stage before the show in SF ... it took them over 20 minutes and the audience was getting raspy ... Vander spent over 20 minutes nailing down his drum set! That's how hard he pounces on those things ... you can see it on any clip in YouTube easily enough.
Fascinating to say the least, but I have to admit that no other "zeuhl" music group has ever caught my fancy ... somehow too many of them just did not sound original at all, and mostly were like copies for me. I'll just have to get zeuhl'd over I guess!
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