The Christian Thread

Equality 7-2521 wrote: Where does he mention paying taxes? Remember a few things at the time, (1) There was not a uniform currency being used at the time in the region. (evident from other passages if you want to keep biblical. There are money changers outside the temple before Jesus goes Rambo on them I believe) (2) The denarius is a particular currency which was quite literally property of Caesar and issued to soldiers and high officials. (3) The Romans were an occupying force. (4) The Caesars viewed themselves as gods and had their images emblazoned on the denarius. When asked the question, Jesus is in a place where answering either in the affirmative or negative will have pulled him into a trap. He responds with a very poignant question to ascertain exactly which form of currency. After being shown the currency, with the image of the caesar, a image that Jesus would know and above which caesar would be written, he proceeds to ask the obvious question as to the image. His final advice chastises caesar and those who would give faith to an authority other than God.

Actually, you do make a good point about Caesar's face being on the coin, and the fact that Jesus' doesn't pull one of these coins out of his own pocket is a subtle detail Christians often miss.  However, let's look at another passage and interpret scripture with scripture:

Edited by dtguitarfan - January 25 2013 at 13:42

Where does he mention paying taxes? Remember a few things at the time,

(1) There was not a uniform currency being used at the time in the region. (evident from other passages if you want to keep biblical. There are money changers outside the temple before Jesus goes Rambo on them I believe)

(2) The denarius is a particular currency which was quite literally property of Caesar and issued to soldiers and high officials.

(3) The Romans were an occupying force.

(4) The Caesars viewed themselves as gods and had their images emblazoned on the denarius.

When asked the question, Jesus is in a place where answering either in the affirmative or negative will have pulled him into a trap. He responds with a very poignant question to ascertain exactly which form of currency. After being shown the currency, with the image of the caesar, a image that Jesus would know and above which caesar would be written, he proceeds to ask the obvious question as to the image. His final advice chastises caesar and those who would give faith to an authority other than God.

Where did i say disciples? I think it must remain unanswerable whether the thief on the cross was baptized. Certainly I would not put any faith in you and epignosis inference which says he was not baptized. As for whether he was covered under the old covenant or the new we can never really know either because the Bible does not tell us who died first, jesus or the thief. I am not trying to correct you. I stand by the fact that inferences are not biblical truth. Including any I might make.

this is the one who will baptize in the Holy Spirit.'

Was I not talking about the baptism of the spirit?

Yes, indeed, the thief was still under the old covenant because Jesus had yet to die and usher in the new covenant. This still does not mean that he was not baptized. The scripture does not tell us. If you want to infer that he was it is your right to do so. If we are going to infer things about the word of God then in my opinion I say he was most definitely baptized and for this opinion I have, and it is only an opinion, I would cite the verse in the book of John........

I  was not the one adding words to the Bible.You keep putting it on me to prove something. Why? Obviously because you cannot back up your statement. I am not wasting anyone's time with statements which are unsubstantiated. Just prove the thief was not baptized. You made the statement. You prove it.

"Never mind awit a sec."

I am more interested in your defense of adding to the Bible what is not there.

I provided your words, is your memory failing