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moshkito
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Posted: August 18 2013 at 10:05 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Grunge? OK I'm going down into the prog mosh pit. Can you imagine being in the mosh pit with ELP playing the Gnome from Pictures. I guess you could mosh pit to Tiger In a Spotlight. |
I never had a chance to see ELP. But I did have 2 bootlegs, and they were not very good at all, in fact in one they were a bit out of tune, it sounded like for a large bit of the show. I think one of them was from the Forum shows, but I don't remember.
I really liked ELP in the earlier days, and after Karn Evil is when I fell out of them.
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rogerthat
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Posted: August 18 2013 at 00:37 |
progbethyname wrote:
Can't stand the Grunge movement. Yodeling cannot be regarded as singing. Eddie Vedder is a master at that. And then freakin Creed came along and Scott Stap copied Vedder! Lol what a joke. |
Maybe that holds good for Vedder (I wouldn't know as I find PJ boring) but Chris Cornell and Layne Staley had range and power to put many prog vocalists to shame. Pearl Jam is hardly all there's to grunge, just the most popular face of it along with Nirvana. Which doesn't mean anything because Soundgarden and Alice in Chains were also extremely successful bands.
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: August 17 2013 at 23:37 |
Grunge? OK I'm going down into the prog mosh pit. Can you imagine being in the mosh pit with ELP playing the Gnome from Pictures. I guess you could mosh pit to Tiger In a Spotlight.
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Atavachron
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Posted: August 17 2013 at 21:32 |
somehow I suspect if I'd been in high school when grunge was happening I'd have liked it
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progbethyname
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Posted: August 17 2013 at 21:17 |
The.Crimson.King wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
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Dean wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
Dean wrote:
which is probably why there are no 70s Prog bands from Southern Texas.... and so very few from the USA. | <div style="font-weight: normal; "><div style="font-weight: normal; ">FYI: Here's a poll I started a while back specifically about little known 70's US prog bands...and no, I don't think any of them are from south Texas <div style="font-weight: normal; ">http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=94116 | <div style="font-weight: normal; "><div style="font-weight: normal; ">QED<div style="font-weight: normal; "> <div style="font-weight: normal; ">Any of those from Southern Texas? (or Texas? or any of the Southern states?) | <div style="font-weight: normal; ">Actually, 3 of them were from the US South. Lift was from New Orleans, Babylon from Florida and I'm pretty sure Easter Island was from Kentucky. As for the others mentioned in the poll, Mirthrandir and Fireballet were from New Jersey, Cathedral from Massachusetts, Netherworld from the SF Bay Area, Pentwater was from Chicago, <font ="apple-style-span"="" color="#ff0000">and I'm pretty sure Starcastle was from Indiana. Don't know about Shadowfax, Yezda Urfa, or others mentioned in the poll comments like Ethos and Happy the Man. <div style="font-weight: normal; "><div style="font-weight: normal; ">Still none from Texas </span> |
Nein. Starcastle were from Champaign, Illinois. I knew Starcastle....Starcastle were friends of mine...and you, sir, are no Starcastle!  |
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Could you turn down your Nirvana 8-track? I can't hear you..... |
That's not Nirvana, it's Hole  |
Well, that's all right then! I am secretly a grunge fan, and a big admirer of Kim Thayill of Soundgarden! We play the same model six-string electric guitar (Guild S-100). Some grunge was better than others - I never much liked Nirvana, but Pearl Jam had some good stuff. I wish the energy of Seattle grunge had collided with prog! |
I'm with you...Nirvana never clicked for me, though I always liked Pearl Jam's "Ten" and the first three Hole albums - though I'm not sure whether they're considered grunge, alternative, or riot grrrrrl  |
Can't stand the Grunge movement. Yodeling cannot be regarded as singing. Eddie Vedder is a master at that. And then freakin Creed came along and Scott Stap copied Vedder! Lol what a joke.
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progbethyname
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Posted: August 17 2013 at 20:58 |
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
It's just sad to see all this trashing going around ... music was no more, or less, popular NOW, than it was THEN, or vice versa!
It was about the same!
And if you think that some of these bands, did not sell, or were not, it was because you had your head in the sand, and were living in Podunk, Moon House, or Peeweeneedles in Mars Land.
The lack of appreciation or respect for a time and place ... people were not stupid!
Half the folks in PA wouldn't have bothered! |
What about Texas?? Lol
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timothy leary
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Posted: August 17 2013 at 18:07 |
I have no idea? I don't need badges. If you were at the convention in chicago can you tell me who led the march on the Conrad Hilton?
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moshkito
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Posted: August 17 2013 at 17:57 |
timothy leary wrote:
^ Because you spent a lot of time in Wyoming ? |
Madison, WI in the late 60's and early 70's, and then Santa Barbara, CA in the 70's and early 80's.
I have the badges from the 60's ... frisked by the National Guard in Madison when the Kent State shootings happened, and then later got my head beatup by Daly's cops in Chicago, because Sly and the Family Stone didn't show u for their show -- when the audience got restless!
You have no idea ... how so much of that music is important to so many folks!
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timothy leary
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Posted: August 17 2013 at 17:36 |
^ Because you spent a lot of time in Wyoming ?
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moshkito
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Posted: August 17 2013 at 17:32 |
Hi,
It's just sad to see all this trashing going around ... music was no more, or less, popular NOW, than it was THEN, or vice versa!
It was about the same!
And if you think that some of these bands, did not sell, or were not, it was because you had your head in the sand, and were living in Podunk, Moon House, or Peeweeneedles in Mars Land.
The lack of appreciation or respect for a time and place ... people were not stupid!
Half the folks in PA wouldn't have bothered!
Edited by moshkito - August 17 2013 at 17:39
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: August 17 2013 at 14:40 |
cstack3 wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
Dean wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
Dean wrote:
which is probably why there are no 70s Prog bands from Southern Texas.... and so very few from the USA. |
FYI: Here's a poll I started a while back specifically about little known 70's US prog bands...and no, I don't think any of them are from south Texas 
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=94116 |
QED Any of those from Southern Texas? (or Texas? or any of the Southern states?) |
Actually, 3 of them were from the US South. Lift was from New Orleans, Babylon from Florida and I'm pretty sure Easter Island was from Kentucky. As for the others mentioned in the poll, Mirthrandir and Fireballet were from New Jersey, Cathedral from Massachusetts, Netherworld from the SF Bay Area, Pentwater was from Chicago, and I'm pretty sure Starcastle was from Indiana. Don't know about Shadowfax, Yezda Urfa, or others mentioned in the poll comments like Ethos and Happy the Man.
Still none from Texas  |
Nein. Starcastle were from Champaign, Illinois. I knew Starcastle....Starcastle were friends of mine...and you, sir, are no Starcastle! 
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Illinois, Indiana, what's the difference? It's a far away state in the Midwest that starts with I  |
Could you turn down your Nirvana 8-track? I can't hear you..... |
That's not Nirvana, it's Hole  |
Well, that's all right then! I am secretly a grunge fan, and a big admirer of Kim Thayill of Soundgarden! We play the same model six-string electric guitar (Guild S-100). Some grunge was better than others - I never much liked Nirvana, but Pearl Jam had some good stuff. I wish the energy of Seattle grunge had collided with prog! |
I'm with you...Nirvana never clicked for me, though I always liked Pearl Jam's "Ten" and the first three Hole albums - though I'm not sure whether they're considered grunge, alternative, or riot grrrrrl 
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cstack3
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Posted: August 17 2013 at 12:51 |
The.Crimson.King wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
Dean wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
Dean wrote:
which is probably why there are no 70s Prog bands from Southern Texas.... and so very few from the USA. |
FYI: Here's a poll I started a while back specifically about little known 70's US prog bands...and no, I don't think any of them are from south Texas 
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=94116 |
QED Any of those from Southern Texas? (or Texas? or any of the Southern states?) |
Actually, 3 of them were from the US South. Lift was from New Orleans, Babylon from Florida and I'm pretty sure Easter Island was from Kentucky. As for the others mentioned in the poll, Mirthrandir and Fireballet were from New Jersey, Cathedral from Massachusetts, Netherworld from the SF Bay Area, Pentwater was from Chicago, and I'm pretty sure Starcastle was from Indiana. Don't know about Shadowfax, Yezda Urfa, or others mentioned in the poll comments like Ethos and Happy the Man.
Still none from Texas  |
Nein. Starcastle were from Champaign, Illinois. I knew Starcastle....Starcastle were friends of mine...and you, sir, are no Starcastle! 
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Illinois, Indiana, what's the difference? It's a far away state in the Midwest that starts with I  |
Could you turn down your Nirvana 8-track? I can't hear you..... |
That's not Nirvana, it's Hole  |
Well, that's all right then! I am secretly a grunge fan, and a big admirer of Kim Thayill of Soundgarden! We play the same model six-string electric guitar (Guild S-100). Some grunge was better than others - I never much liked Nirvana, but Pearl Jam had some good stuff. I wish the energy of Seattle grunge had collided with prog!
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: August 17 2013 at 10:17 |
Tarkus was the number one selling album in the UK 1971 so why is the question even being asked? Of course it was popular, whether any particular genre of music deserves to hold centre stage of the zeitgeist is another matter.....
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richardh
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Posted: August 16 2013 at 03:01 |
geneyesontle wrote:
Yes, Emerson Lake & Palmer, Jethro Tull and Pink Floyd were very popular. Genesis were beginning to be popular and King Crimson were always an underground band. That's for the big 6 of prog. Now, for bands like Gentle Giant, Van Der Graaf Generator and Camel, this was more difficult. They are cult bands. |
I think of all prog bands as 'cult bands' its just that some managed their affairs better than others and were able to take their chance when it presented itself. If Pink Floyd hadn't made Dark Side Of The Moon then someone else would have I reckon. It now seems almost an obvious idea but it was Waters and co that thought of it first. Other bands like VDGG and Gentle Giant were content to stay true to themselves. Camel are an interesting case as they sold a fair number of albums playing in my eyes a mellow brand of prog.Nice but hardly challenging. They found a middle way between commercialism and artistic integrity.
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: August 16 2013 at 01:14 |
cstack3 wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
Dean wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
Dean wrote:
which is probably why there are no 70s Prog bands from Southern Texas.... and so very few from the USA. |
FYI: Here's a poll I started a while back specifically about little known 70's US prog bands...and no, I don't think any of them are from south Texas 
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=94116 |
QED Any of those from Southern Texas? (or Texas? or any of the Southern states?) |
Actually, 3 of them were from the US South. Lift was from New Orleans, Babylon from Florida and I'm pretty sure Easter Island was from Kentucky. As for the others mentioned in the poll, Mirthrandir and Fireballet were from New Jersey, Cathedral from Massachusetts, Netherworld from the SF Bay Area, Pentwater was from Chicago, and I'm pretty sure Starcastle was from Indiana. Don't know about Shadowfax, Yezda Urfa, or others mentioned in the poll comments like Ethos and Happy the Man.
Still none from Texas  |
Nein. Starcastle were from Champaign, Illinois. I knew Starcastle....Starcastle were friends of mine...and you, sir, are no Starcastle! 
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Illinois, Indiana, what's the difference? It's a far away state in the Midwest that starts with I  |
Could you turn down your Nirvana 8-track? I can't hear you..... |
That's not Nirvana, it's Hole 
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Posted: August 16 2013 at 01:11 |
The.Crimson.King wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
Dean wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
Dean wrote:
which is probably why there are no 70s Prog bands from Southern Texas.... and so very few from the USA. |
FYI: Here's a poll I started a while back specifically about little known 70's US prog bands...and no, I don't think any of them are from south Texas 
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=94116 |
QED Any of those from Southern Texas? (or Texas? or any of the Southern states?) |
Actually, 3 of them were from the US South. Lift was from New Orleans, Babylon from Florida and I'm pretty sure Easter Island was from Kentucky. As for the others mentioned in the poll, Mirthrandir and Fireballet were from New Jersey, Cathedral from Massachusetts, Netherworld from the SF Bay Area, Pentwater was from Chicago, and I'm pretty sure Starcastle was from Indiana. Don't know about Shadowfax, Yezda Urfa, or others mentioned in the poll comments like Ethos and Happy the Man.
Still none from Texas  |
Nein. Starcastle were from Champaign, Illinois. I knew Starcastle....Starcastle were friends of mine...and you, sir, are no Starcastle! 
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Illinois, Indiana, what's the difference? It's a far away state in the Midwest that starts with I  |
Could you turn down your Nirvana 8-track? I can't hear you.....
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: August 15 2013 at 23:33 |
cstack3 wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
Dean wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
Dean wrote:
which is probably why there are no 70s Prog bands from Southern Texas.... and so very few from the USA. |
FYI: Here's a poll I started a while back specifically about little known 70's US prog bands...and no, I don't think any of them are from south Texas 
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=94116 |
QED Any of those from Southern Texas? (or Texas? or any of the Southern states?) |
Actually, 3 of them were from the US South. Lift was from New Orleans, Babylon from Florida and I'm pretty sure Easter Island was from Kentucky. As for the others mentioned in the poll, Mirthrandir and Fireballet were from New Jersey, Cathedral from Massachusetts, Netherworld from the SF Bay Area, Pentwater was from Chicago, and I'm pretty sure Starcastle was from Indiana. Don't know about Shadowfax, Yezda Urfa, or others mentioned in the poll comments like Ethos and Happy the Man.
Still none from Texas  |
Nein. Starcastle were from Champaign, Illinois. I knew Starcastle....Starcastle were friends of mine...and you, sir, are no Starcastle! 
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Illinois, Indiana, what's the difference? It's a far away state in the Midwest that starts with I 
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Posted: August 15 2013 at 23:02 |
I Started A Joke
one of the signature songs of the late 60's
The disco stuff blew, like all disco.
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Posted: August 15 2013 at 21:15 |
progbethyname wrote:
The BeeGees can eat a big one as far as I'm concerned. The members of Kansas have more talent in their pinky-fingers then the Beegee's entire being. Just my opinion. Hope I didn't offend any disco lovers lol |
Oh, that "Stayin' Alive" and really ruined the Bee Gees reputation. Though I'm sure they apreciate the loads of $$$ and fame that song gave them, I have read they or some of them weren't particularly happy about ending up labeled as disco and recognized for that song, because that's not what they were all about, it was just one short phase of their career. I guess it's something similar to Yes with "Owner of a Lonely Heart" and Pink Floyd with "Another Brick in the Wall 2".
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Posted: August 15 2013 at 19:18 |
progbethyname wrote:
The BeeGees can eat a big one as far as I'm concerned. The members of Kansas have more talent in their pinky-fingers then the Beegee's entire being. Just my opinion. Hope I didn't offend any disco lovers lol |
Now now, I bet Kansas would sacrifice all of their fingers in exchange for BeeGees' talent to create good melodies. I'm
not a disco lover in particular but I recognize a good song when I hear
one and Massachusets and To Love Somebody are good examples of the
genre.
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