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Posted: September 06 2013 at 11:58
1.Cardiacs - "The Seaside" 2.Talking Heads - "Fear of Music" 3.Pere Ubu - "Dub Housing" 4.Devo - "Are We Not Men? We Are Devo!" 5.Pere Ubu - "The Modern Dance" 6.Talking Heads - "More Songs About Buildings and Food" 7.Cardiacs - "A Little Man and a House and the Whole World Window" 8.DNA - DNA on DNA 9.Joy Division - "Unknown Pleasures" 10.Devo - "Live, the Mongoloid Years" 11.At the Drive In - "Relationship of Command" 12."No New York" 13.R. Stevie Moore - "Delicate Tension" 14.Pere Ubu - "The Art of Walking" 15.Joy Division - "Closer"
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Posted: September 06 2013 at 14:00
smartpatrol wrote:
1.Cardiacs - "The Seaside" 2.Talking Heads - "Fear of Music" 3.Pere Ubu - "Dub Housing" 4.Devo - "Are We Not Men? We Are Devo!" 5.Pere Ubu - "The Modern Dance" 6.Talking Heads - "More Songs About Buildings and Food" 7.Cardiacs - "A Little Man and a House and the Whole World Window" 8.DNA - DNA on DNA 9.Joy Division - "Unknown Pleasures" 10.Devo - "Live, the Mongoloid Years" 11.At the Drive In - "Relationship of Command" 12."No New York" 13.R. Stevie Moore - "Delicate Tension" 14.Pere Ubu - "The Art of Walking" 15.Joy Division - "Closer"
I'm no expert on punk but it seems to me that many of those are 'new wave' , 'post punk', and 'new romantic'...or are they all basically the same..?
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Posted: September 06 2013 at 16:49
A slightly straighter punk selection
The Ramones: The Ramones The Damned : Damned Damned Damned Stiff Little Fingers: Inflammable Material 999: 999 Crass: Christ The Album X Ray Spex: Germ Free Adolescents The Adverts: Crossing the Red Sea with THe Adverts Big Black: Songs about f**king Penetration: Coming up for Air Blondie: Parallel Lines THe Fall: Live at the Witches Trials Ultravox! Ha! Ha! Ha! THe Clash: The Clash Siouxsie and the Banshees: THe Scream The Ramones: It's Alive The Stranglers: No More Heroes
Edited by akamaisondufromage - September 06 2013 at 23:57
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Posted: September 06 2013 at 17:44
The Associates - Fourth Drawer Down Dog faced Hermans – Hum of Life Minutemen – Double Nickels on the Dime The Slits – Cut Stretchheads – Pish in Your Sleazebag Big Black – The Hammer Party Drop Dead – 2nd LP Die Goldenen Zitronen - ??? Звуки Му - Грубый Закат The Ex – Tumult
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Posted: September 07 2013 at 20:23
My favorite post-punk/hardcore album: Husker Du's Zen Arcade (including the blistering single, Eight Miles High), both from 1984.
Favorite pre-punk albums (or whatever they are) would have to be Pere Ubu's two from 1978, Dub Housing and The Modern Dance.
Pure undiluted punk: Sex Pistols' Never Mind the Bullocks and Wire's Pink Flag from 1977. The Ramones are a lot of fun. Oh, and this band never gets mentioned because they were French (but are *still huge* in France): Téléphone. Their self-titled debut came out in 1977. Lots of classics.
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Posted: September 07 2013 at 21:04
Repeat question )(re-phrased): Do THE JAM (Paul Weller's group 1972-82) count as punk?
There are a lot of bands being named/listed here that I never knew/considered "punk"!! I thought punk was MC5, Iggy Pop and The Stooges, Patti Smith, The Stranglers, The Sex Pistols and a bunch of slash bands! Never even considered The Ramones, The Clash, The Buzzcocks, and Souixie and the Banshees as punk!
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Posted: September 07 2013 at 21:42
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Repeat question )(re-phrased): Do THE JAM (Paul Weller's group 1972-82) count as punk?
There are a lot of bands being named/listed here that I never knew/considered "punk"!! I thought punk was MC5, Iggy Pop and The Stooges, Patti Smith, The Stranglers, The Sex Pistols and a bunch of slash bands! Never even considered The Ramones, The Clash, The Buzzcocks, and Souixie and the Banshees as punk!
In this case, I'm not referring to "punk" as a genre, but rather a tradition. While I still use genres because they're familiar to other people, I honestly hate rigidly defining things by their physical characteristics. I much prefer the idea of a "tradition." For instance, I consider the electronic works of Stockhausen and Xenakis as "avant-garde classical" music (or more accurately "Darmstadt"), because it was composed in the avant-garde classical tradition and school of thought, although the medium is electronic. This method both welcomes and, by its welcoming, guards against the hazy lines of physical genre classification. Were the Beatles the first alternative rock artist? Nope. Was Magma the first goth rock band? Nope. Are the Ramones punk or are they— They're punk. This also is in regards to prog. When I refer to prog, I mean one of two things: (1) the artists listed on this site or (2) the artists in the tradition of what was called "progressive rock" including those who identify themselves today with those who were first of that tradition. This is why "genres" such as post-punk, hardcore punk, post-hardcore, etc. are being considered in these lists— because I, essentially, was referring to "punk" as a tradition, and not a genre.
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Posted: September 08 2013 at 04:10
Don't know enough about the genre to make a personal top 10 list yet, but The Jesus Lizard's Liar would definitely be on it. That album has some of the best bass playing in the past 25 years of rock music, not to mention that the songwriting shows a sense for building up and releasing tension that 95% of post-rock groups would kill for.
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Posted: September 09 2013 at 14:45
jude111 wrote:
My favorite post-punk/hardcore album: Husker Du's Zen Arcade (including the blistering single, Eight Miles High), both from 1984.
Favorite pre-punk albums (or whatever they are) would have to be Pere Ubu's two from 1978, Dub Housing and The Modern Dance.
Pure undiluted punk: Sex Pistols' Never Mind the Bullocks and Wire's Pink Flag from 1977. The Ramones are a lot of fun. Oh, and this band never gets mentioned because they were French (but are *still huge* in France): Téléphone. Their self-titled debut came out in 1977. Lots of classics.
Ha. In 1981 I went to see the Ramones in London (Hammersmith Odeon)and hey presto Telephone were the support band. 'Nobody' knew who they were and they didn't go down well. At one point the singer asked the crowd not to spit at him as he had 'a brand new jacket' he was greeted with a lovely gob strewn shower from the punks at the front - of course. I don't think I have ever listened to them since I will have to put that right I owe them that.
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Posted: September 09 2013 at 14:55
BrufordFrea. wrote:
Repeat question )(re-phrased): Do THE JAM (Paul Weller's group 1972-82) count as punk?
There are a lot of bands being named/listed here that I never knew/considered "punk"!! I thought punk was MC5, Iggy Pop and The Stooges, Patti Smith, The Stranglers, The Sex Pistols and a bunch of slash bands! Never even considered The Ramones, The Clash, The Buzzcocks, and Souixie and the Banshees as punk!
You are and American me thinks. What is and isn't punk was always argued about at school (in Britain). Of the ones you mention we would have said almost the complete opposite. All except the Pistols. Strangely the one band we argued about the most was The Stranglers as they suffered from being a) Quite musical b) already ancient. c)Had been a band before 1976.
Of course time changes perspective and well many of the 1st wave of British punk bands hardly produced any 'Punk' music.
Re The Jam I think that they were considered a punk band by many up to their first album. Even that is debateable so I wouldn't say they were a punk band. They wouldn't call themselves that either.
Edited by akamaisondufromage - September 09 2013 at 14:58
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Posted: September 09 2013 at 16:21
Toaster Mantis wrote:
Don't know enough about the genre to make a personal top 10 list yet, but The Jesus Lizard's Liar would definitely be on it. That album has some of the best bass playing in the past 25 years of rock music, not to mention that the songwriting shows a sense for building up and releasing tension that 95% of post-rock groups would kill for.
I agree that's an amazing album. I love that band, and I think that may be their best album, or at least a tie with "Goat". I saw them live around that time and I'd never heard of them before that, but boy, did they leave an impression on me.
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Posted: September 09 2013 at 16:25
The Jam were more of a neo-Mod band, carrying on the tradition of the Who and the Kinks. In the sense of reviving old-school rock and roll values, they shared some characteristics with the first wave of punk bands, but they very quickly (like, within a year after their first album) diverged onto their own path apart from punk and probably did so deliberately to distance themselves from punk.
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Posted: September 09 2013 at 16:31
As for the Stranglers, very little of what I've heard from them bears much resemblance at all to punk -- the similarity is more in their more confrontational attitude (e.g. "Bring on the Nubiles", a relatively sneering vocal tone, etc) than anything else. They were really more "New Wave" or even "proto-New-Wave", and as akamaison mentioned they were fairly sophisticated musically (for the 1976-77 period, certainly), and were older than their punk would-be peers.
Not that any of this matters in the course of this discussion, as the OP was pretty clear that the discussion of bands here can be made as broad as one would like, so long as the bands are loosely contained within the general "punk tradition". Which I'm cool with -- arguing about who falls into what genre is one of the least interesting topics that crops up again and again in this forum, to be honest.
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