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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20702 |
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I agree with you for the most part , and I bought the first album when it came out in 1970.....Byron is not a 'bad' singer and their music is not that bad at all ......though I did stop buying them after Magicians Birthday.
I prolly should listen to those that came out in the rest of the 70's.
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Dellinger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12868 |
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I find it a bit strange to read about this kind of hostility towards UH. I only just got the "Magician's Birthday" album, and so far it's the only one I've heard, but I found some really beautiful songs on it, and I really liked Byron's singing, I can't imagine anyone being bothered by his voice, I find it just beautiful, one of the better aspects of the band.
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Svetonio ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
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Both film and music are from '77 but from different concerts (film is made at concert in Fayetteville, NC, USA, 1977).
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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As I have tried to point out, that was somewhat irrelevant. I also saw them in 1977 with Lawton and they were nothing like the Heep of the early 70s (ie from Very 'Eavy through to Return to Fantasy) when they were harder to pigeon-hole with your comfortable little tag of "hard rock" (the UK term was heavy rock btw, Heep did not call their début album Very 'Aard... Very 'Umble).
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Andrea Cortese ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 05 2005 Status: Offline Points: 4411 |
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From the italian version of the Logan-Woffinden Rock Encyclopedia:
Uriah Heep: "one of the many bands that plagiarized without shame the heavy metal trail of Led Zeppelin. Though with the hostilityohf the whole rock critic the band made its debut in 1970..." well... wow ![]() |
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Svetonio ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
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^ I was wrong, it was in 1977, but nevermind because it still to be five years after the item you post. It is really nice to see that someone from NME called UH prog in 1972.
However, based on what I heard at Belgrade's 1977 concert, it was much more hard(er) rock sound than on their vinyls. As they were in Yugoslavia for the first time then, they were playing all of their triggers, and it was hard rock, & very loud. Edited by Svetonio - April 27 2014 at 10:02 |
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Svetonio ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
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I never heard (read) in 70s about Uriah Heep as progressive rock band, although Yugoslav rock critics did do a lot "copy/paste" lifting from British rock articles at that time. And as I said, I saw them live in 1979 and they were advertized in town as "hard rock" band. I remember also that in crowd at the concert nobody mentioned that the Uriah Heep is the progressive rock band; everybody come to see an exciting hard rock band. Although I agree that Uriah Heep deserved to be in PA heavy prog rock section, they were considered as a hard rock band in 70s. I don't care what an internet article say. Edited by Svetonio - April 27 2014 at 08:23 |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Different stories for different parts of the world. We didn't have the instantaneous global communications to normalise these things, the spread of music and terminology was far more sedate. For example Sweden's music scene was practically unknown in the UK at that time (aside from Bo Hansson perhaps...)
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Toaster Mantis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 12 2008 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 5898 |
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I dunno... looking up contemporary reviews from here in Denmark and Sweden too? Quite a few of the critics who championed Cream, The Jimi Hendrix Experience, Deep Purple etc. still had no idea what to make of what Black Sabbath, Uriah Heep, Led Zeppelin and Grand Funk Railroad
were doing a few years later or at least saw quickly that both sides
were kind of coming from the same place but didn't either have quite the
same creative priorities or were going the same direction. (the
preferred term for the new generation of hard rock being "concrete rock" before the "heavy metal" label stuck in the mid-1970s)
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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*sigh* You might want to read that NME article from 1972 I linked in my previous post before making such claims.
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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I would not claim to be an expert on hairstyles (haven't had a haircut in over 20 years), but that looks a much later style to me. When skinheads hair grew-out it had the appearance of suede, hence the term suedehead, often the girls would leave it short on top and allow it to grow longer at the back and sides (Dave Hill of Slade is the extreme of this) in a style that, when it was allowed to grow-out further, would later be known as a feather-cut (re: early Suzi Quatro).
After the success of In Rock and the first two Sabbath albums, and perhaps more notably the release and success of the Black Night and Paranoid singles, the UK press (and fans) would generally lump Sabbath and Purple together. Purple were an established band with three "psychedelic" releases prior to In Rock and Sabbath's psyche roots show in the lyrical content of many of their early songs, Planet Caravan being the most obvious. Uriah Heep were not considered to be in the same echelon as either band. In searching the Internet earlier I found this interesting article from NME dated April 15th 1972: Music to lay chicks by - Uriah Heep`s David Byron Talking.
![]() I notice in that article about Heep's clash with T.Rex, Byron talks of the single "The Wizard", if my memory serves me correctly (not guaranteed, even on a Sunday), Bolan later claimed plagiarism over The Wizard (his first solo single and later re-recorded by T.Rex) but cannot find any confirmation of that on the web. |
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Svetonio ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
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In 70s, Uriah Heep were considered as a hard rock band only. Edited by Svetonio - April 27 2014 at 07:08 |
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Toaster Mantis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 12 2008 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 5898 |
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I thought female skinheads were called Chelseas after their peculiar haircut?
Also, my own theory is indeed that Uriah Heep weren't very easy to pigeonhole into the glam-rock, prog/psych or heavy metal rival movements in the rock music of the day but I weren't there so I'm a bit cautious with laying down a thesis like that. It is interesting that the Swedish fanzine I mentioned lumped them in with Black Sabbath rather than Deep Purple and company, though, because I've always been under the impression UH were on the other side of that generation gap between the original psychedelic rock scene and early heavy metal in both outlook and music style. |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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I would have hoped that in the age of the internet that I need not remind people that "history of ..." books are not encyclopaedias documenting the definitive history of anything - they are as much subjective opinions as any hack review. (As we know, opinions are like elephants - every room has one...) In the world of Rock Journalism (where opinion is always presented as fact) it is impossible for them to present a history without prejudice and biased opinion, and in the 70s and beyond that opinion invariably elevates Led Zepp above all else as the progenitors and undisputed kings of heavy rock music. In these tomes even Deep Purple are portrayed as Johnny-come-lately bandwagon-jumpers who stand in the shadow of the mighty Zeppelin. If the author didn't like the band or if there was a comparable band that the author preferred they rarely portrayed them in a positive light - impartiality is never a trait that we can attribute to rock journalists.
Heep suffered from not belonging to a single easy to categorise camp, they were a bit heavy rock and a bit prog rock and a bit glam rock, and in an era where being different and original was revered and being clone was frowned upon, any band that sounded a bit like another band was quickly dismissed as "unoriginal". (In some circles ... ie by people who didn't like them ... Zepp were also regarded as either a bit glam rock or dismissed as merely copyists of The Who ... I have even heard them referred to as a teeny-bop band by one disparaging critic who took exception to their bedroom-wall pinup status). In 1969 Deep Purple Mk2 and an unknown band called Spice using the same rehearsal studio in Hanwell Community Centre resulted in two not dissimilar hammond-heavy guitar-driven albums being released the following year - Deep Purple In Rock and Very 'Eavy... Very 'Umble (with Spice having by then changed their name to Uriah Heep). Comparisons between the two were inevitable and Purple emerged the victors with the critics and subsequently with the record buying public, bad reviews for one were a consequence of good reviews for the other. Replacing Byron with a "cabaret singer" from The Les Humphries Singers six years later didn't improve their standing with the trade rags or die-hard fans much either. Another band that seemed to suffer from biased journalism at the time was Barclay James Harvest and scoring a minor hit with Mocking Bird did not help matters. One curious anecdote I have regarding Heep is that a suedehead (that's a 1970s UK term for the subculture that followed after skinhead predominately made up of females, who were also known as bootgirls after their predilection for wearing Doc Marten boots, and not fans of Brett Anderson and his band) friend of mine owned a lot of the expected Mowtown and Trojan label records but was also a fan of Magician's Birthday and Demons and Wizards. These two albums were the only rock records she liked.
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Svetonio ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
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Although the book has flaws ( I saw both Uriah Heep and Led Zep and Uriah Heep were better imo), the book quite well reflects the general state of critics and fans at that time regarding the bands & solo artists. There are interesting details in the book actually. For example, there is entry of Steve Miller Band, where they wrote that the Steve Miller Band recorded "two of milestone albums" - Sailor, and Children of the Future which was, as per NME illustrated encyclopedia of Rock issued in 1977, "considered as the best progressive rock album of 1968". Edited by Svetonio - April 27 2014 at 06:09 |
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Toaster Mantis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 12 2008 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 5898 |
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Don't remember any contemporary review of Black Sabbath as scornful as that suicide comment by Melissa Mills, though. (and yes she did go on to have an illustrious reviewing career if I remember correctly) |
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Andrea Cortese ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 05 2005 Status: Offline Points: 4411 |
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I've got that Logan/woffinden's Encyclodepia of rock too - italian version.
I've never disagreed more with a band's review. What was their problem anyway? At least they admit The Heep made it with the Look at Yourself album. |
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Kentucky_Hawkwindage ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 15 2014 Location: Hardinsburg,Ky Status: Offline Points: 733 |
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I agree somewhat with what you say about David Byron,he was indeed very flamboyant.On some songs his voice is great,on other songs it's more like a screech.Wonder why Mick Box get's little or no recognition.I've always thought he was a great guitarist.Regardless i've always loved the band,but it's not a band everyone can love.
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"Nobody's Gonna Change My World That's Something To Unreal" Lyrics that i live my life by-from Black Sabbath's Technical Ecstasy's track You Won't Change Me
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20702 |
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Who knows ..maybe it was a rock n roll snob thing.?
From the New Rolling Stone Record Guide, 1979, same review was in the earlier version published some years earlier:
" A mutant version of Deep Purple, Uriah Heep has to be considered one of the worst commercially successful bands of the seventies. Good points: sincerity and an organist (Ken Hensley) far more intelligent and capable than the group.
Bad points: one of the most strident and annoying singers (David Byron) in rock history. The problem is that Byron gets the material he deserves."
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