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genbanks 
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 Posted: July 30 2014 at 20:11 |
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^ I think that Forgotten sons is a bit proggier than Skies moves sideways. Unless they are on a same level. Pop??? I don't think so.
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 20:20 |
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Forgotten Sons is not very poppy, but neo-prog in general is basically reigned in symphonic (in other words, closer to pop). It's certainly the poppiest prog subgenre.
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 20:25 |
 King Crimson776 wrote:
Forgotten Sons is not very poppy, but neo-prog in general is basically reigned in symphonic (in other words, closer to pop). It's certainly the poppiest prog subgenre. |
Is this a subjective opinion or an objective concept?
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 20:38 |
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Musical structure is objective, so...
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genbanks
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 20:46 |
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You are taking a shortcut so I think that what you are saying is just an opinion and so it is arguable.
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 20:59 |
I like both songs very much.
Usually I prefer Porcupine Tree, but in this one, my vote goes to Forgotten Sons (Marillion).
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 21:01 |
genbanks wrote:
King Crimson776 wrote:
Musical structure is objective, so...
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You are taking a shortcut so I think that what you are saying is just an opinion and so it is arguable. |
Indeed.
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 21:05 |
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I lyk both...but TSMS wins this easily for me
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 21:10 |
King Crimson776 wrote:
Forgotten Sons is not very poppy, but neo-prog in general is basically reigned in symphonic (in other words, closer to pop). It's certainly the poppiest prog subgenre.
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Certainly not Crossover Prog, literally defined as being fused with pop music and accessibility.
So you're already wrong bout that.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 21:21 |
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Sky moves sideways for me. Though the version I know is the one from Coma Divine.
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King Crimson776
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 21:36 |
Horizons wrote:
King Crimson776 wrote:
Forgotten Sons is not very poppy, but neo-prog in general is basically reigned in symphonic (in other words, closer to pop). It's certainly the poppiest prog subgenre.
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Certainly not Crossover Prog, literally defined as being fused with pop music and accessibility.
So you're already wrong bout that. |
Crossover is not a real subgenre.
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 21:37 |
King Crimson776 wrote:
Horizons wrote:
King Crimson776 wrote:
Forgotten Sons is not very poppy, but neo-prog in general is basically reigned in symphonic (in other words, closer to pop). It's certainly the poppiest prog subgenre.
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Certainly not Crossover Prog, literally defined as being fused with pop music and accessibility.
So you're already wrong bout that. |
Crossover is not a real subgenre.
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And Neo is?
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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King Crimson776
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 21:52 |
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Neo has a defined sound. You can 'crossover' into prog from any number of directions.
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genbanks
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 21:58 |
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...but neo-prog in general is basically reigned in symphonic (in other words, closer to pop) |
Here is the problem. You are calling poppy to symphonic subgenre...seems you tend to denigrate things easyly. And as Horizons says if Crossover is not a subgenre so Neo is not too. Everybody knows it is a branch of symph. If you will judge try to do it with some arguments.
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King Crimson776
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 22:11 |
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I'm not calling symphonic too poppy (if that's what you're saying, I can't quite tell). In fact, I'm not even calling neo too poppy. Sometimes that's exactly what I want. I don't think poppy bands can ever be the best though.
I thought it was self-evident but basically, neo is not as complex as symphonic or other prog subgenres. It has more standard song forms, and is therefore closer to pop music. It's about as complex as prog metal I guess (prog metal is just 'busy', not actually complex).
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 22:12 |
King Crimson776 wrote:
Neo has a defined sound. You can 'crossover' into prog from any number of directions.
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Crossover is pop+prog
Neo is 70's prog
I don't see your argument.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 22:20 |
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I'm not calling symphonic too poppy (if that's what you're saying, I can't quite tell).
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Just read what you wrote. And you are still doing this. Now you say symph is not TOO POPPY which seems to mean that it is poppy.
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 22:21 |
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Still 8 deranged jackasses voted for PT. This place is becoming too weird.
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Marillion is bad and you being belligerent about it doesn't change that fact.
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King Crimson776
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 22:30 |
genbanks wrote:
King Crimson776 wrote:
I'm not calling symphonic too poppy (if that's what you're saying, I can't quite tell).
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Just read what you wrote. And you are still doing this. Now you say symph is not TOO POPPY which seems to mean that it is poppy. |
I get that you're esl but I'm not saying anything hard to understand. I was saying that neo is mainly a more poppy version of symphonic, never that symphonic itself is poppy.
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King Crimson776
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 22:32 |
Horizons wrote:
Crossover is pop+prog
Neo is 70's prog
I don't see your argument. |
You evidently don't see much of anything.
Edited by King Crimson776 - July 30 2014 at 22:35
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