New Prog bands still influenced by the 'Big Five?

SteveG wrote: With many new Prog bands like Hawken, Karnavool, Moon Safari, The Pineapple Thief and TesseracT turning up lately with members of very young age (at least to me!), barely in their twenties, do you think the 'Big Five' like Genesis (along with their Neo clones), ELP, Pink Floyd, Yes and King Crimson hold heavy influence over their music? Or are other music groups like Radiohead, and other genres like Metal Core taking over that role? And what of former Doom metal goups like Anathama and Opeth? Do you feel they that they are filtering the 'Big Five' in their current sound, or treading their own paths with influences from other sources, including an evolution of their own?

Is Hawken different than Haken?

I'd argue tat bands are generally pursuing their own interests, which just happens to fall into the realm of prog. You can write an amazing epic without having heard Supper's Ready or Close to the Edge. You need some good cohesive musicians with a bit of inspiration. I think the closest you can come to an answer (without walking up to the artists and specifically asking them) would be their debut albums. I haven't heard any of these bands' debuts, but that's probably the closest you'll get to their influences rather than their own uniqueness. What do you think?


Edited by Metalmarsh89 - October 21 2014 at 14:55

Metalmarsh89 wrote: SteveG wrote: With many new Prog bands like Hawken, Karnavool, Moon Safari, The Pineapple Thief and TesseracT turning up lately with members of very young age (at least to me!), barely in their twenties, do you think the 'Big Five' like Genesis (along with their Neo clones), ELP, Pink Floyd, Yes and King Crimson hold heavy influence over their music? Or are other music groups like Radiohead, and other genres like Metal Core taking over that role? And what of former Doom metal goups like Anathama and Opeth? Do you feel they that they are filtering the 'Big Five' in their current sound, or treading their own paths with influences from other sources, including an evolution of their own? Is Hawken different than Haken? I'd argue tat bands are generally pursuing their own interests, which just happens to fall into the realm of prog. You can write an amazing epic without having heard Supper's Ready or Close to the Edge. You need some good cohesive musicians with a bit of inspiration. I think the closest you can come to an answer (without walking up to the artists and specifically asking them) would be their debut albums. I haven't heard any of these bands' debuts, but that's probably the closest you'll get to their influences rather than their own uniqueness. What do you think?

No Hawken is a typo because I'm not familiar with the band or their music.  I put in quick posts or comments while working on the history of American Roots music. American music is my first love and priority with prog ranking around third of forth . But you're answer was pretty good.

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Rednight wrote: to this topic. I find it tepid and insincere. What can we do to make it not so?

Ignore it, and maybe it and the others derived from the same source will go away.

richardh wrote: Catcher10 wrote: The one band I don't hear "new" bands talk about is ELP. Of course the two albums they generally know about is Tarkus and BSS. Greg Lake probably gets more mentioned due to his KC days and Asia success.   But prog bands will always make mention of a few of the 4-6 top influential progressive bands and they have their individual influences also.   In liner notes of Riverside albums drummer Piotr Kozieradzki and guitarist Piotr Grudzinski mention bands like Zeppelin, Judas Priest, Rush. Keyboardist Michal Lapaj mentions Jordan Rudess......makes sense based on the type of music they play. bands not lead by a keyboard player are unlikely to be influenced by ELP to be fair prog bands I know that are influenced by ELP can be counted on the fingers of one hand Triumvirat (Germany) Le Orme (Italy) Par Lindh Project (Swedish) Ars Nova (Japan) Mastermind (USA) only one per country allowed?!

octopus-4 wrote: richardh wrote: Catcher10 wrote: The one band I don't hear "new" bands talk about is ELP. Of course the two albums they generally know about is Tarkus and BSS. Greg Lake probably gets more mentioned due to his KC days and Asia success.   But prog bands will always make mention of a few of the 4-6 top influential progressive bands and they have their individual influences also.   In liner notes of Riverside albums drummer Piotr Kozieradzki and guitarist Piotr Grudzinski mention bands like Zeppelin, Judas Priest, Rush. Keyboardist Michal Lapaj mentions Jordan Rudess......makes sense based on the type of music they play. bands not lead by a keyboard player are unlikely to be influenced by ELP to be fair prog bands I know that are influenced by ELP can be counted on the fingers of one hand Triumvirat (Germany) Le Orme (Italy) Par Lindh Project (Swedish) Ars Nova (Japan) Mastermind (USA) only one per country allowed?! If you look at Eastern Europe, you can add Marian Varga and Collegium Musicum, partially After Crying, then the swedish Par Lindh is quite an Emerson's clone. EL&P have been more influential than what people usually thinks, but they have one problem:  You have to to be skilled enough to play as any of them (that's why in Eastern Europe they had more followers: there is a different culture of classical music respect to the west)

richardh wrote: Catcher10 wrote: The one band I don't hear "new" bands talk about is ELP. Of course the two albums they generally know about is Tarkus and BSS. Greg Lake probably gets more mentioned due to his KC days and Asia success.   But prog bands will always make mention of a few of the 4-6 top influential progressive bands and they have their individual influences also.   In liner notes of Riverside albums drummer Piotr Kozieradzki and guitarist Piotr Grudzinski mention bands like Zeppelin, Judas Priest, Rush. Keyboardist Michal Lapaj mentions Jordan Rudess......makes sense based on the type of music they play. bands not lead by a keyboard player are unlikely to be influenced by ELP to be fair prog bands I know that are influenced by ELP can be counted on the fingers of one hand Triumvirat (Germany) Le Orme (Italy) Par Lindh Project (Swedish) Ars Nova (Japan) Mastermind (USA) only one per country allowed?!

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octopus-4 wrote: richardh wrote: Catcher10 wrote: The one band I don't hear "new" bands talk about is ELP. Of course the two albums they generally know about is Tarkus and BSS. Greg Lake probably gets more mentioned due to his KC days and Asia success.   But prog bands will always make mention of a few of the 4-6 top influential progressive bands and they have their individual influences also.   In liner notes of Riverside albums drummer Piotr Kozieradzki and guitarist Piotr Grudzinski mention bands like Zeppelin, Judas Priest, Rush. Keyboardist Michal Lapaj mentions Jordan Rudess......makes sense based on the type of music they play. bands not lead by a keyboard player are unlikely to be influenced by ELP to be fair prog bands I know that are influenced by ELP can be counted on the fingers of one hand Triumvirat (Germany) Le Orme (Italy) Par Lindh Project (Swedish) Ars Nova (Japan) Mastermind (USA) only one per country allowed?! If you look at Eastern Europe, you can add Marian Varga and Collegium Musicum, partially After Crying, then the swedish Par Lindh is quite an Emerson's clone. EL&P have been more influential than what people usually thinks, but they have one problem:  You have to to be skilled enough to play as any of them (that's why in Eastern Europe they had more followers: there is a different culture of classical music respect to the west)

Thanks for that insightful answer, Luca. It's good to know someone who understands the tastes and culture of eartern European countries and their take on progressive music.

Her´s a list of ELP influenced bands, although I don´t agree on most of them I think "my list" is more faithful :

elpprogster wrote: octopus-4 wrote: [QUOTE=richardh] prog bands I know that are influenced by ELP can be counted on the fingers of one hand Triumvirat (Germany) Le Orme (Italy) Par Lindh Project (Swedish) Ars Nova (Japan) Mastermind (USA)[/QUOTE]   If you look at Eastern Europe, you can add Marian Varga and Collegium Musicum, partially After Crying, then the swedish Par Lindh is quite an Emerson's clone. EL&P have been more influential than what people usually thinks, but they have one problem:  You have to to be skilled enough to play as any of them (that's why in Eastern Europe they had more followers: there is a different culture of classical music respect to the west)  Here´s a small and "hopefully" incomplete list by country: - Argentina: NEXUS; - Germany: AMOS KEY, TRITONUS, TRIUMVIRAT; - Italy: LE ORME, TRIADE, (and to some extent Rustichelli and Bordini, the guys who did the Scolopendra album etc) - Japan: ARS NOVA, DEJA-VU, SOCIAL TENSION, GERARD - Uk: DAGABAND - USA: POLIPHONY, QUILL, CAIRO, GLASS HAMMER

elpprogster wrote: Her´s a list of ELP influenced bands, although I don´t agree on most of them I think "my list" is more faithful : http://www.brain-salad.com/OtherBands/otherbands.html By the way, another ELP influenced band from Denmark in the 70´s: IRON DUKE