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Posted: November 03 2014 at 10:33
I gave it to Living Sin without ever hearing whatever the second tune was - Rush's output since the mid-'80s being that disappointing to me. Yeah, that's weak, but that's where things stand. Besides, the ending of the former is so non sequitur that one has to deem it above special for the group.
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Posted: November 03 2014 at 12:29
richardh wrote:
ELP being 'menacing' against some random Rush track from one of my favourite Rush albums. Strange poll again
I really don't know . ELP are my favourite band but that doesn't mean I want to vote for them here. I think I will abstain.
Me too. They are both good songs but very different. It's an awkward comparison, and I think I like one more than the other at any given time depending on my mood.
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Posted: November 03 2014 at 17:51
^To be honest after Signals I knew only one album that my sister gave me for my birthday when I still often listened to Rush (that with the red balls on the cover), so much at home that I made her fan of the band too hahah
"Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB
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Posted: November 03 2014 at 18:00
I lost them after Signals, loved Counterparts but then lost them again. Raff is a huge fan so I've heard the recent albums and they really do not connect with me. Oh well... at least they gave me Caress of Steel.
Oh.. I just found my drive to work album tomorrow. NOTHING gets my motor running like the Necromancer.
Now that would be a poll royale. Two absolute heavy prog masterpieces. Tarkus v. The Necromancer.
I'd go
over that poll
The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Posted: November 04 2014 at 02:18
It's really contrasting two different eras of progressive music, and therefore two different theories of how to make music that is progressive.
If you put ELP side by side with Rush from the 70's, I think ELP would be the more interesting band, and generally with more interesting songs, because Rush was more just proto-metal in those days.
But Living Sin, as most have observed, is far from being ELP's best song. I find it kind of clunky and depressing. Insincere lyrics about a dirty woman. Dare I say it was composed as filler?
A lot of people are very critical of Rush in the 80's. I disagree, and think this was their absolute peak. I think it's the metal purists who have sullied the water with their horror at the use of synthesizers.
Marathon is an amazing song. Great lyrics, great melody, and a band energized by its own re-invention. Geddy Lee was allowed to expand the harmonic palette with his synthesizers, and became much more controlled and deliberate in his vocals. Alex Lifeson learning to use the guitar as an atmospheric instrument, with delicious, modern-sounding processing. Neal Peart, at the top of his lyrical game, and branching out from traditional rock to incorporate world rhythms. Marathon is a profound and inspiring rock anthem about humanity striving for the best that is in us.
sad creature nailed upon the coloured door of time
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Posted: November 04 2014 at 18:55
I'd generally agree with that regarding ELP. They were a highly dynamic
and fantasticly creative group. Sure some times they swung and missed,
but they connected and sent out beautiful moon shots about as often as
they missed. Rush were IMO not some proto metal band. Rush were to many THE
ultimate heavy prog band. Not particlarly gifted song
writers, not particularly creative nor innovative but man alive was it fun to listen to.
Thus the blowback for some to Rush's stylisic progression some have had. Great for the group, great for the hard core fans, but Rush always has had a core group of fans that loved the music of that 70's era much more than the band itself. Look at the whole Genensis thing and how the fans of the 70's hate the 80's stuff. Sure Rush didn't go pop but then again... Genesis never rocked and heavy progged out the way Rush did. The differences, completely disimilar on first inspection, are actually quite relative to the perceived emasculation of each groups music, and what made them great, in the eyes of the fans of the earlier more 'prog' years.
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Posted: November 04 2014 at 20:45
Padraic wrote:
Kati wrote:
Two 3 band groups, both not having a permanent fab guitarist, uhm interesting. xxxxx
What? Lifeson is awesome
Padraic, you are absolutely right here, I take it back, I am a nincompoop really Alex Lifeson, is brilliant also much under rated, he deserves so much more!
No idea why I said that about guitarists in reference to Rush, ELP yes but they had great guest guitarists, Rush too is a 3 member band but unlike Elp they have a brilliant guitarist bandmember! Even if I am not a fan of Geddy's vocals they are so good!
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Posted: November 04 2014 at 20:51
hah. You got the ELP part right... that gets you a free introductory membership to the PA's ELP fanclub. We are alway on the prowl for fresh meat to combat the bobblehead and the ..ahem.. Camel fans.
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Posted: November 04 2014 at 20:53
micky wrote:
hah. You got the ELP part right... that gets you a free introductory membership to the PA's ELP fanclub. We are alway on the prowl for fresh meat to combat the bobblehead and the ..ahem.. Camel fans.
Awww but but .... but ... Lady Fantasy is one of my ultimate fav tracks, Micky. hugs xxxxx
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richardh wrote:
Works perfect here. Removes all doubt!
I lost them after Signals, loved Counterparts but then lost them again. Raff is a huge fan so I've heard the recent albums and they really do not connect with me. Oh well... at least they gave me Caress of Steel.
is one of my ultimate fav tracks, Micky. hugs 
xxxxx