Did the Beatles really Invent Prog? Or not? |
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Svetonio
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Posted: July 07 2015 at 14:21 | |
'64!
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Imperial Zeppelin
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Posted: July 07 2015 at 14:32 | |
Yes. They also invented psychedelia and toasters.
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SteveG
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Posted: July 07 2015 at 14:40 | |
Being the first fully Prog band does not necessitate that the band invented the progressive rock song. Who ever did that is who invented Prog.
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Svetonio
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Posted: July 07 2015 at 14:44 | |
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Svetonio
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Posted: July 07 2015 at 14:46 | |
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dr wu23
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Posted: July 07 2015 at 14:47 | |
Best overall summation on this topic so far..... |
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SteveG
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Posted: July 07 2015 at 14:50 | |
^ Paul Butterfield. King of Prog!
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Friday13th
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Posted: July 07 2015 at 14:52 | |
@Svetonio Thanks for the cool links. It's good music in it's own right, but I wouldn't call any of it progressive rock. If that's prog, so is this:
Wouldn't call "Tomorrow Ever Knows" prog either, though it does clearly rule. I still believe prog rock has a sound, just because something is progressive it doesn't make it prog rock.
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SteveG
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Posted: July 07 2015 at 14:54 | |
^Dick Dale. My hero! (really)
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dr wu23
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Posted: July 07 2015 at 14:58 | |
C'mon folks...we have had this discussion many times before and we all know that
ITCOTCK and KC were the first 'real prog rock' album and band. |
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SteveG
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Posted: July 07 2015 at 15:02 | |
^I agree Doc, but they did not invent the Prog song, IMHO, but were, are, and always will be the definitive progressive rock group. I wish I saw them live in their first incarnation!
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Friday13th
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Posted: July 07 2015 at 15:02 | |
^ basically! King Crimson defines prog, so if it doesn't sound like King Crimson, than it ain't prog!
Seriously though, there were progressive rock songs prior to Crimson. Not sure any band prior to them was as committed to that sound though. Edited by Friday13th - July 07 2015 at 15:04 |
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SteveG
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Posted: July 07 2015 at 15:08 | |
^Hmm, micky has a good case with the Nice. After Davy O'list left, they were mainly Prog and predated KC. But they did not have that quintessential KC sound, if that's what your referring to.
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SteveG
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Posted: July 07 2015 at 15:10 | |
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Friday13th
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Posted: July 07 2015 at 15:15 | |
The Nice were...nice, but I can't forgive them for butchering "Blue Rondo a la Turk." I don't think it's very prog to be so reliant on classical covers, but I have admittedly overlooked it with like Devil's Triangle, Toccata, Cans and Brahms, Horizons, etc. I guess I just feel those bands have justified their covers with BETTER original material, whereas with the Nice the original works aren't that special imo.
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SteveG
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Posted: July 07 2015 at 15:18 | |
The Nice never floated my boat either but technically....ah, you know what I mean.
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dr wu23
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Posted: July 07 2015 at 15:31 | |
I have the 2 cd Nice 'box set' and several pieces of vinyl from the old days but they never impressed me all that much either. I actually like their early album Emerlist Davjack the best and it was more psych than anything else...imo.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: July 07 2015 at 16:24 | |
The Nice were, as someone mentioned, nice; however, both The Moody Blues and Procol Harum offered rock with orchestral movements and themes during the same time period. The only difference was The Moodies and Procol actually sold albums.
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SteveG
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Posted: July 07 2015 at 16:31 | |
^I don't think people took the Moody's and Procol as seriously as the Nice because I have a feeling that the Nice took themselves very seriously and offered little in the way of a top ten pop song. You could only hit the charts if you had that pop thing going on and the Nice didn't.
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Atavachron
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Posted: July 07 2015 at 17:19 | |
The Nice kicked ass all over the place-- they were magnificent, mistakes and Davy O'List not withstanding. They were the first group to sound like a prog band when everyone else was looking at pretty colors in the sky. Micky's right.
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