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Topic: The Stooges vs. The Velvet Underground Posted: July 09 2015 at 12:03 |
Because the entire Beatles vs. Rolling Stones question is so played out...
...and let's face it, these two other groups are probably more important to rock history if you consider punk and its derivatives. With the Velvets being the Beatle analogues and the Stooges the Stones in the equation no doubt.
I find it a total apples-and-oranges situation to be honest, but it's the Stooges I've listened to the most. As much as I like the Velvet Underground, I have to be in a very specific mood to get into the music. The Stooges, at least on Fun House and Raw Power, have the edge that you can listen to them as both "normal rock music" and as weird avantgarde mutant noise rock.
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Posted: July 09 2015 at 18:04 |
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Posted: July 09 2015 at 19:06 |
The Velvets. There was a time where I listened to them almost exclusively.
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Posted: July 10 2015 at 10:28 |
The Velvets. Only because the few bands that were actually influenced by them were great!
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Posted: July 10 2015 at 14:19 |
Which ones are you referring to in particular?
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Posted: July 10 2015 at 14:33 |
The better known would be Talking Heads I guess, but for me personally, it's this early album by the Flaming Lips called In A Priest Driven Ambulance. I don't recall the band ever referencing the Velvets, but the influences are marked. This sounds like the Velvets went acid rock, but in a very good trippy psychedelic way.
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Posted: July 10 2015 at 14:43 |
what about MC5
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Posted: July 10 2015 at 14:46 |
^Another band that influenced Everybody!
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Posted: July 10 2015 at 14:50 |
I think MC5 are now one of those groups who are more influential than popular. They were responsible for the entire political movement side of punk, though, even if they weren't as insightful in their lyrics as Crass or Killing Joke.
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Posted: July 10 2015 at 14:56 |
In all seriousness, it's probably easier to link an influence's sound rather than their politically influenced lyrics. Particularly in that era of Western free expression. So, it's probably easier to affix the Velvet's influences on Noise rock bands, etc. as opposed to who influenced early punk lyrically.
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Posted: July 10 2015 at 15:08 |
Well like it or not, ideology's as important to punk as music. Same thing with goth, industrial, metal, psychedelia etc. if you define "ideology" somewhat more broadly than strictly political matters.
The Fugs were also an openly political 1960s garage rock band but they're not cited as a punk forerunner quite as often as MC5. Though I can easily imagine the satirical humour in their lyrics being as much an influence on Jello Biafra as on Frank Zappa.
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Posted: July 10 2015 at 15:13 |
Ideology is more important than music in Punk. It's just harder to pin down someone's sole ideological influences as opposed to a musical style. Agree?
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Posted: July 11 2015 at 01:07 |
SteveG wrote:
Ideology is more important than music in Punk. |
To paraphrase Tony Stark: "Is it better to have attitude or songwriting ability?" - I say, is it too much to ask for both?
On topic, The Velvets, if only because the songwriting was more consistent and explored a bit more musical directions.
On the other hand, I can see someone picking up Fun House and/or Raw Power and think those are the better records.
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Posted: July 11 2015 at 09:55 |
KingCrInuYasha wrote:
SteveG wrote:
Ideology is more important than music in Punk. |
To paraphrase Tony Stark: "Is it better to have attitude or songwriting ability?" - I say, is it too much to ask for both?
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No, it's not to much to ask. Just listen to any other genre aside from Punk. Metal would be my first suggestion.
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Posted: July 11 2015 at 10:43 |
I like the both, The Stooges are more mechanical and relentless compared to The Velvet Underground. Both as valid, lyrically The Velvets get it. But as manic as their first two albums are, Sister Ray hasn't got the groove of 1969. So I voted for both and am now responsible for making the poll at the time of posting look like a pair of genitals.
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Posted: July 11 2015 at 11:07 |
Thank you for including neither as a choice.
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Posted: February 15 2017 at 13:33 |
Both: the Stooges when I want wildness, the VU when I want something more cerebral.
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Posted: February 15 2017 at 13:38 |
SteveG wrote:
The Velvets. Only because the few bands that were actually influenced by them were great!
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^ this
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Posted: February 15 2017 at 13:46 |
Velvet Underground because of Nico
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Posted: February 15 2017 at 14:07 |
Both, absolutely.
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