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Rednight
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Posted: October 22 2015 at 11:59 |
Yes Gilmour was a tad superior muso to the other three (and millions miles ahead of Barrett)... [/QUOTE] Don't you think that's a little harsh, friend? I mean, I'm no fan, but the man was somewhat of a visionary of the band and a decent musician in his own right. Try lightening up a little.
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sublime220
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Posted: October 22 2015 at 13:51 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Yes Gilmour was a tad superior muso to the other three (and millions miles ahead of Barrett)
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Gilmour definitely is higher up on the rankings but saying that about Barrett is utter nonsense. I don't like Kanye West's music, but damn do I respect his creativity and powerful vocals.
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There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark...
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Rednight
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Posted: October 22 2015 at 14:42 |
sublime220 wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Yes Gilmour was a tad superior muso to the other three (and millions miles ahead of Barrett)
| Gilmour definitely is higher up on the rankings but saying that about Barrett is utter nonsense. I don't like Kanye West's music, but damn do I respect his creativity and powerful vocals. | That's where you and I part company, Hank.
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Dellinger
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Posted: October 22 2015 at 21:59 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
I do tend to be more on the side of Gilmour than Waters on the fighting side of Floyd, but in the end I do like what they both have done, both together and by themselves, and I do know that they both did their best when working together (and with Wright too, and I guess also Mason, though he does have much less writing credits). And besides, Waters was more of a songwriter than a bass player, and I believe that's the way he thinks of himself, I understand he really took the bass because the band needed a bass player. However, I do like what he and Mason did with Floyd a lot, specially on their earlier albums where they did some really interesting stuff. |
As I wrote in this thread I tend to side with Waters for reasons stated in there... I'd tend to agree with you (and Roger) about the best way to see him, but.... I'm not that sure that he took the bass, just to be in the band and write songs... in the early Barrett days, Waters was not all that instrumental (pun intended) in writing songs ... at least not more than Wright would've been... IMHO, of course | Yeah, I had kind of thought about that point of him not being a main songwriter in the beginning. But still, I think Waters did wrote about himself not considering to be a bass player, but a song writer. I think it was in the liner notes from the "In the Flesh" live album. But perhaps I missed a bit about how this came to be... I mean, I must have read it over 10 years ago... perhaps even 15.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: October 23 2015 at 00:10 |
I've said it once, maybe twice, could even be thrice, but when watching Waters perform on the Pompeii film, yes, he's a righteous bassist.
Edited by Tom Ozric - October 23 2015 at 00:11
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Sean Trane
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Posted: October 23 2015 at 02:53 |
sublime220 wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Yes Gilmour was a tad superior muso to the other three (and millions miles ahead of Barrett)
| Gilmour definitely is higher up on the rankings but saying that about Barrett is utter nonsense. I don't like Kanye West's music, but damn do I respect his creativity and powerful vocals. |
I never held Barrett in high regard, TBH... Barrett's so-called "genius" was his visionary songwriting angle, but he was hardly a better muso than the other three. The only Barrett Floyd hit or short pop tune that I like is Arnold Layne... The rest is mainly utter-nonsense... and outside Overdrive and Astronomy (and to a lesser extent Pow'R), I don't find much to keep in Piper.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: October 23 2015 at 02:59 |
^ You, of all people, you don't think anything of Matilda Mother ?? Anyway, this is the Rick I like (I want a Farfisa.....professional duo..........)
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Sean Trane
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Posted: October 23 2015 at 03:13 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
^ You, of all people, you don't think anything of Matilda Mother ?? Anyway, this is the Rick I like (I want a Farfisa.....professional duo..........) |
I don't remember Mathilda standing out from the pack of Barrett-era short tunes. here is what I had to write about Piper in 04: Many Floyd detractors are usually giving the good nod only to this
album, because they are fans of Syd Barrett's silly ditties and discard
the rest of the group as mere support cast. This is of course immensely
unfair, because the other three members, while no virtuosos, where
definitely the musical backbone of the group, as cold be then seen or
heard in concert way back then. Indeed, their live appearances were
about lengthy and improvised tracks and featured way more than
Barrett's twee songwriting, no matter how popular it was on the radio
airwaves. To be quite honest, Barrett's so-called genius is not
quite as evident as some would have you to believe on this Gates Of Dawn
album, as there are no songs that equal the potential of their previous
two singles "Emily" and "Arnold". There are indeed a bunch of short
songs that were about quaint British/English weirdness, but it's nothing
that The Beatles had done a few months before with Sgt Pepper or
Magical Mystery Tour and the Fab Four did that much better. Sooooo those
thinking these short tracks are pure genius are forgetting this album
post-dates Sgt Pepper by three months (June and Sept 67) and you can
find the same kind of madness in albums that came out that same fall,
namely Procol Harum's debut (Mabel, Garden Fence etc..), Traffic's Mr
Fantasy (the non-album singles like Paper Sun & Hole In My Shoe and
Berkshire Poppies, Coloured Rain ) and The Nice's Thoughts Of Emerlist
(Flower King, Bonnie K, Maggie), although the latter two came out in
December that same year, so Floyd might have been influential on these. Where
Floyd does the difference is in the more obscure and longer tracks,
thus giving us another facet of their crafts, the live one. While the
album-opening Astronomy Domine might appear as another poppish track,
the three other musicians do marvels and it's little wonder it will be
the only track that will survive in concert past Barrett's replacement
and all the way until the release of Ummagumma. Another track is the
gigantic Interstellar Overdrive, le lengthy track that sets the tone to
Space Rock. Another weirdie is Pow R Toc H, where the whole group plays
abstract and often dissonant music, thus showing enough depth to grab
the serious music punters' attention. Roger Waters' sole penned track
is a relatively instrumental, since there is only one verse (not that
good), the rest featuring them playing and soloing. Sooo
discarding the other three acolytes to magnify the ephemeral genius of
Barrett is unjust. In this album, the producer clearly chose to go with
the Barrett facet, and as such, it was a good commercial choice. I would
not hate to see this album reissued with the Emily and Arnold and their
B-sides as added bonus! They'd blend in well with the album's madness
and would therefore make Syd's Floyd-contribution complete in one disc.
Hard to say this album is not essential (historically, anyway), but at
least I can say that it's only moderately good.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: October 23 2015 at 03:49 |
^ Fair 'nuff. Well written review (as often you do....) I love the album, but I too, question just what it is with ol' Syd. I do respect his work of the day, though I question the 'genius' that many folks see in him........
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Intruder
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Posted: November 10 2015 at 13:30 |
I think Roger understands his limitations as a musician - he said as much in that Howard Stern interview. Roger does, however, have the good taste to allow others to carry out his musical vision. Hand over the bass to the pro and let him/her manifest what's in his head.
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I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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