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Davesax1965 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839 |
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Here's probably the better way of describing it.
Right, the modular is over to the left. Not plugged in. There's a Doepfer Dark Time sequencer connected up to the Korg by electrical trickery. Above the Korg is a Minibrute. Coming up soon is another MS20, another Dark Time sequencer, and the modular just had a MIDI interface fitted. There are also two MIDI keyboards. You can imagine what all this will sound like live, but here's the MS20 being sequenced, with just a bit of delay added to it as well via the computer. |
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Davesax1965 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839 |
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Thanks, Replayer - yep, my Korg is great. The reissue is better than the original, in my book. Modern electonics means it sounds tighter, snappier......
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Replayer ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 04 2013 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 356 |
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I was thinking of buying an MS-20 mini as my first analog synth (I don't know nearly enough about sound synthesis to start off with a fully modular synth), but I decided to go with the Novation Bass Station II. In spite of only having a two-octave keyboard, the BS2 won me over due to the fact that it included a sub-oscillator, I could save and export patches and not having to buy a separate sequencer such as the SQ-1. I've read good reviews of the MS-20 mini and heard Korg did an excellent job on the remake. Here's a interesting sound effect of a car engine igniting and revving up: |
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Davesax1965 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839 |
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Hi Versilibre - ahhh, I wish there were a cheaper way of doing it.
If you wanted to make a start - well, a 3U 84HP case can be had fairly cheaply if you trawl around. (I say "fairly cheaply", Eurorack prices are a ripoff !!! Doepfer do a kit with a couple of rails, busboard and PSU, you could make your own enclosure, given a suitable donor cabinet. Popping over to Erica Synths, they do a complete "Polivoks in a box" kit which would get you started for ... well. A reasonable amount of money. Be warned that "reasonable amount of money" means "get the soldering iron out". Still, a lot less than buying a synth, though. It also pays to keep a weather eye on eBay as some modules are very cheap to buy second hand. What do you need to get started ? One oscillator One filter One amplifier MIDI <> CV interface and then just build things up from there.
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 19417 |
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What a coincidence...I'm turning green, myself! ![]() What you're doing and depicting is ace! Wish I had the time and funds to do likewise.
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Davesax1965 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839 |
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Off work with a cold today. Perhaps not the best time to start building an oscillator. This is 50% done.
Imagine the joy when you plug it in and it doesn't work. Or white smoke comes out of it and it's ruined. ;-) Having said that, you CAN get them ready made. The kit is about £120, assembled, £225. Not a cheap hobby. ![]() |
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Davesax1965 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839 |
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Hi Replayer, sorry !! Off work with the flu !!
Yes, that's a new reissue MS20 mini. I used to have an original MS10 - which did PWM as well. I'm a big Korg fan. The new reissue is pretty damn good. There are lots of frustrations about using them, mainly the fact that they don't work on Volts / Octave, but there are workarounds available. The MS20 used a classic Sallen-Key topology filter - the eagle eyed will possibly have noted that I have one built into the modular. ![]() There's also two Polivoks filters in there - matter of fact, the entire middle row is essentially a Polivoks. This is the beauty of modular synths, you can just add anything you like. ;-)
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Replayer ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 04 2013 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 356 |
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Emerson's fabled FrankenMoog only has three oscillators ![]() I can't fathom ELP going on tour with that contraption... I noticed a Korg MS-20 in the third picture. Is it the original, the MS-20 Mini remake or did you assemble the reissued full-sized and MIDI-capable MS-20 kit? |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Putney is the area of London where the EMS factory was ... the hardware of the VCS3 was given that nickname.
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Tom Ozric ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15926 |
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Jean Yves Labat (the M Frog on Todd Rundgren's Utopia) had some joined VCS3's - as did Patrick Moraz - was it the AKS synthi ??
The synthi A was the briefcase model - now I'm confused - what was 'The Putney' ?? Eno would know all about this ![]() |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Perhaps not.... 3.5v in maybe but the output will likely be 100v at 1KHz to excite the phosphor coating of the wire. Some of the cheaper ones can even make an audible whine. |
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Davesax1965 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839 |
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PS Thanks, Replayer, never heard of that one !!!
EMS are a weird, weird company. Still going, go see. http://emssynthesisers.co.uk/ |
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Davesax1965 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839 |
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Note to self "perhaps it may become apparently that a VCS3 is not modular at some point."
![]() There was a Synthi A up for sale around here recently, at ludicrous prices. No takers. EMS never did a modular. The closest they got to it was bolting two synths together to produce Tim Blake's Crystal Machine... and Miquette Giraurdy's too, now I come to think of it. There were very few modular synths around at the time. Moog, Buchla, ARP and Serge cover nearly all the early modulars. Edited by Davesax1965 - October 31 2015 at 11:21 |
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Davesax1965 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839 |
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3.5v inverters here, but still going to be some noise.......
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Replayer ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 04 2013 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 356 |
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This is a very impressive project and I look forward to hearing it when
it’s finished. I also enjoyed the live Seq2.
This makes Zanov’s Green Ray (1976) all the more impressive, considering it was recorded solely on a VCS3. Similar to Wendy Carlos' Switched-on-Bach (1968), Mike Hankinson's The Unusual Classical Synthesizer (1972) is an album of classical covers played on a synthesizer, the VCS3 instead of the Moog.
According to Comfortably Numb: The Inside Story of Pink Floyd, the VCS3
was used on Breathe, while Brain Damage, Time, Any Colour You Like and On the
Run used the more compact and portable version of the VCS3, the Synthi A. I can’t tell them
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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I'm not a convert myself lots of 100v ac inverters and wires (aerials) radiating em-waves at audio frequencies can be a bugger to screen sensitive equipment from. |
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Davesax1965 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839 |
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Thanks, Versilibre !
Daytime - yep - shots of EL Wire, which we may be using on stage. Neon glow wire, good for case illumination. And it looks, er, fairly good !!!!
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 19417 |
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Great pix, Dave! Love the hard specs.
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Davesax1965 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839 |
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- when we do a gig, it'll be in pitch blackness BUT
I've just discovered electroluminescent wire. Got a kit of 18m of flourescent neon wire plus inverters coming next week. Expect a lot of.... this. Eventually. ;-)))) And yes, it can be made to move...... ![]() |
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