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kenethlevine
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Topic: Renaissance (1978) vs the big guys part 6 Posted: November 14 2015 at 10:41 |
In the opinion of a significant minority, Renaissance peaked in 1978 with their at times bombastic at times folkie "A Song for All Seasons". Even among the majority, the prevailing view is that it was a very good album not quite up to the standards set a few years earlier. In recent polls, Renaissance steamrolled the Yes and the ELP entry from 1978, and narrowly defeated Gentle Giant's and Genesis' 1978 albums, before falling 27-16 to"Heavy Horses" by Jethro Tull. I've decided to include Camel in the "big guys" category since they tend to win polls against groups that sold a lot more albums. Anybody think "Breathless" was their best, or close to their best, good, or mediocre but still better than Renaissance? Vote and comment on!
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Wanorak
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Posted: November 14 2015 at 12:26 |
Renaissance this time. Breathless wasn't one of my favourites from Camel.
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Posted: November 14 2015 at 12:30 |
I think these are both underrated (although you're doing your bit for Renaissance obviously). It's a close call but I go with Breathless here which I love to pieces. (Breathless is something like Camel's Camera Camera, somewhat pop oriented but very creative with many surprises and highlights; I know the latter is not a crowd favourite here either.)
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Posted: November 14 2015 at 12:46 |
Breathless (1978) by Camel
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Hercules
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Posted: November 14 2015 at 12:50 |
Camel are my favourite band, so for me to vote against them would not be a common occurrence.
But Breathless is not one of their best, so ASFAS gets my vote.
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kenethlevine
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Posted: November 14 2015 at 13:00 |
Lewian wrote:
I think these are both underrated (although you're doing your bit for Renaissance obviously). It's a close call but I go with Breathless here which I love to pieces. (Breathless is something like Camel's Camera Camera, somewhat pop oriented but very creative with many surprises and highlights; I know the latter is not a crowd favourite here either.)
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yeah seeing them live recently has revitalized my interest, and they included 2 songs from ASFAS on the tour based on fan requests. I am in pretty much total agreement with everything you said, other than voting for ASFAS. I enjoy Breathless more now than when it was current. To me Side 1 is brilliantly executed, and side 2 isn't bad either.
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Posted: November 14 2015 at 15:14 |
Tough call, don't really care for either.
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Posted: November 14 2015 at 23:43 |
As is often the case with this poll series, I enjoy both albums. Renaissance wins this one again.
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rogerthat
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 01:05 |
I think, more than telling us about where Renaissance stands, this series might help reinforce the Genesis/Camel worship on PA. SFAS beats Tormato handily but loses out to Breathless/ATTWT....strange. Now Heavy Horses is at least an album that I know even guys who are not huge fans of Tull enjoy (though not me).
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 04:28 |
Both underrated albums.
Vote goes to Breathless as it not only contains my favourite track of theirs, Echoes, but i also enjoy the jazz-tinged The Sleeper and the decent melodic pop of the title track. Throw in the poignant closing track of Rainbow's End and a humouress track that I actually enjoy, Down on the Farm, and you have a really strong album (IMHO)
Could easily live without You Make Me Smile though...
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 04:42 |
Even if i'm a Camel hard fan, Breathless is not one of my favorite albums. Vote for Renaissance.
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 09:40 |
octopus-4 wrote:
Even if i'm a Camel hard fan, Breathless is not one of my favorite albums. Vote for Renaissance. |
^this
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Manuel
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 10:21 |
For me this is a tie, since both albums have their good moments, even though are not to par with their predecessors, so frankly, after giving it a thought, I cannot choose one over the other.
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 10:35 |
Phew, wont vote on this one...
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b_olariu
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 10:54 |
A Song for All Seasons (1978) by Renaissance, but I also ike Camel
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kenethlevine
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 11:52 |
rogerthat wrote:
I think, more than telling us about where Renaissance stands, this series might help reinforce the Genesis/Camel worship on PA. SFAS beats Tormato handily but loses out to Breathless/ATTWT....strange. Now Heavy Horses is at least an album that I know even guys who are not huge fans of Tull enjoy (though not me). |
just checked and ASFAS still leading ATTWT, 16-15 now
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 12:04 |
rogerthat wrote:
I think, more than telling us about where Renaissance stands, this series might help reinforce the Genesis/Camel worship on PA. SFAS beats Tormato handily but loses out to Breathless/ATTWT....strange. Now Heavy Horses is at least an album that I know even guys who are not huge fans of Tull enjoy (though not me). |
Tormato deserved the defeat in that poll, it's so patchy and uninspired IMO. I listen to ASfAS without skipping a song, I can't stand more than half of Tormato.
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rogerthat
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 18:35 |
kenethlevine wrote:
just checked and ASFAS still leading ATTWT, 16-15 now |
Ah, sorry.
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rogerthat
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 18:38 |
Cristi wrote:
Tormato deserved the defeat in that poll, it's so patchy and uninspired IMO. I listen to ASfAS without skipping a song, I can't stand more than half of Tormato. |
Sure, but I just can't see this huge gap between Tormato and ATTWT. SFAS is quite comfortably rated higher than all these three albums - Tormato, ATTWT and Breathless - on the website. It's a forum phenomenon.
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 18:45 |
I don't mean to repeat a few previous posts but Breathless is not my favorite Camel album either. I still voted for it because I never really got into Renaissance.
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