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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2016 at 08:21
Originally posted by javajeff javajeff wrote:

Originally posted by AZF AZF wrote:

American Express take a $4 million sponsorship deal off the table for Roger's next tour.

https://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2016/10/30/principles-cost-millions/


It makes more sense for musicians to just stay out of politics.  Why not try to have fans in all countries and appeal to everyone.  They are in the entertainment business, which requires people for them to entertain.  Taking sides in political issues where you have no roots is strange, yet only picking one issue and not weighing in on all of them...sounds like Cherry Picking.


It makes more sense for musicians whatever they want: if music is just entertainment, then we'd better listen to dance music with lyrics about boy-meets-girl and not asking for something more ambitious.
Then, we should ask the same to writers, cinema directors, painters, etc... Goodbye Orwell, Ken Loach or even Charlie Chaplin and his goddamn "Dictactor": couldn't he stay out of political stuff and keep doing his Charlot routine?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2016 at 03:38
Originally posted by AZF AZF wrote:

American Express take a $4 million sponsorship deal off the table for Roger's next tour.

https://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2016/10/30/principles-cost-millions/


It makes more sense for musicians to just stay out of politics.  Why not try to have fans in all countries and appeal to everyone.  They are in the entertainment business, which requires people for them to entertain.  Taking sides in political issues where you have no roots is strange, yet only picking one issue and not weighing in on all of them...sounds like Cherry Picking.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 12:58
American Express take a $4 million sponsorship deal off the table for Roger's next tour.

https://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2016/10/30/principles-cost-millions/
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 12:50
Originally posted by Sagichim Sagichim wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

There is oil in Israel
You must mean cooking oil...
No I meant crude oil. I never said they export crude oil.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 12:42
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Right! Facts suck, don't they ? 
I said petroleum products, they export them. 
Correct. Many countries who import oil , then export petroleum based products , like.......Plastics Wink Among many other things 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 12:35
Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Right! Facts suck, don't they ? 
I said petroleum products, they export them. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 11:46
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

If we're discussing oil, Israel and all that jazz, maybe we should start thinking that, while Israel is NOT producing oil, at least this country can be a gate to the oil shores for the Western countries...

BP and many western oil companies were there way before 1948. After all, Iraq was a British creation in order to mine the oil. Saudi Arabia as well, I believe in 1932. And please, let's not talk about the UAE, a recent gateway.  


I know that, but I also wonder about the whereabouts of Cold War.

Anyway, all this discussion takes faraway from the irreponsibility of Roger Waters who offers a rather simplistic view about the subject (just like Roald Dahl did in this time).
I just wonder if Waters has something to say about Tibet, Chechnya, the Rohingyas in Burma, Kurdistan, etc...

Indeed what about the strict walls of inhumanity that govern Saudi Arabia, the lawlessness of Somalia, the infighting in Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Sudan. But that would be too novel for him, its way easier , as 'he warms his bones by the fire' to parrot old and false fallacies and judge from his holier than thou artistic podium. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 11:41
Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

If we're discussing oil, Israel and all that jazz, maybe we should start thinking that, while Israel is NOT producing oil, at least this country can be a gate to the oil shores for the Western countries...

BP and many western oil companies were there way before 1948. After all, Iraq was a British creation in order to mine the oil. Saudi Arabia as well, I believe in 1932. And please, let's not talk about the UAE, a recent gateway.  


I know that, but I also wonder about the whereabouts of Cold War.

Anyway, all this discussion takes faraway from the irreponsibility of Roger Waters who offers a rather simplistic view about the subject (just like Roald Dahl did in this time).
I just wonder if Waters has something to say about Tibet, Chechnya, the Rohingyas in Burma, Kurdistan, etc...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 11:24
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

If we're discussing oil, Israel and all that jazz, maybe we should start thinking that, while Israel is NOT producing oil, at least this country can be a gate to the oil shores for the Western countries...

BP and many western oil companies were there way before 1948. After all, Iraq was a British creation in order to mine the oil. Saudi Arabia as well, I believe in 1932. And please, let's not talk about the UAE, a recent gateway.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 11:20
If we're discussing oil, Israel and all that jazz, maybe we should start thinking that, while Israel is NOT producing oil, at least this country can be a gate to the oil shores for the Western countries...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 11:17
Right! Facts suck, don't they ? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 11:15
Not really worth debating^
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 11:09
No thanks... Oil and petroleum products , ce n'est pas la meme chose! 
77% of crude oil is imported from Kurdistan to Israel. Would you like the link? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 11:02
I never claimed to be an expert. Do you need a link to the Fact Israel exports some petroleum products.?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 10:59
Originally posted by WeepingElf WeepingElf wrote:

Many people automatically cry "Anti-Semitism!!!" whenever anyone criticizes the policies of the Israeli government. Those people are just wrong. The Israeli government does things which are just plain wrong and violate international law and human rights, and such abuses can and should be criticized. That has nothing to do with the fact that they are Jews; occupying foreign territory and denying basic human rights to the people of that territory is always illegitimate, no matter whether you are Jew, Christian, Muslim or whatever. Also no matter whether you are a democracy or not.

Of course Israel has a right to peace and secure borders, but secure borders are always borders on which both sides agree, never ones which one side forces upon the other.

And which side is that? The one that wants peace, I mean. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 10:57
Israel imports oil , in the past from Angola, Colombia, Norway, Mexico, Egypt and lately Russia, Kazakhstan and currently Kurdistan. 
A possibly huge oil deposit is being investigated in the Golan , near Katzrin. As with everything in Israel, within missile and rocket distance. 
Peace, bro ! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 10:55
Many people automatically cry "Anti-Semitism!!!" whenever anyone criticizes the policies of the Israeli government. Those people are just wrong. The Israeli government does things which are just plain wrong and violate international law and human rights, and such abuses can and should be criticized. That has nothing to do with the fact that they are Jews; occupying foreign territory and denying basic human rights to the people of that territory is always illegitimate, no matter whether you are Jew, Christian, Muslim or whatever. Also no matter whether you are a democracy or not.

Of course Israel has a right to peace and secure borders, but secure borders are always borders on which both sides agree, never ones which one side forces upon the other.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 10:50
Sagi, do not despair, all these experts have been to Israel via Google Maps , they have seen with their own PC cameras what really goes on in Israel, and they just plain KNOW. Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 10:46
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

There is oil in Israel
You must mean cooking oil...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 10:39
Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Errr, CP....Dean, of all people,  does not need anyone to apologize for him, he is perfectly, and i stress, PERFECTLY capable of defending his preciseness and sharp mind set. But you shouldn't interpret that literally! Merci
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