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Shrek the Progre
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Topic: What's up with Progressive Post-Hardcore? Posted: March 09 2018 at 13:12 |
I use these Spotify discovery functions a lot, and I've been running across a sh*tton of what I recently found out to be "Progressive Post-Hardcore" songs. I shall name some examples: Android Echostar, TTNG, First Signs of Frost, Circa Survive (actually great), Fair to Midland and so on...At first some seemed really great, with some really heavy or nice uptempo sections and all, not to mention that the members are usually great at their instruments, technically speaking. But as weeks passed it seems like this genre has grown as something like the Prog Metal wannabe DT scene or the Math Rock scene, with so much repetition, lack of creativity and tech showoff. Hardcore drives and the usual Emo melodical vocals just feel tiresome.
Which brings us to my question: we all know very well who were the Prog Metal and the Math Rock phenomena protagonists (which were actually amazing bands), but how did this whole Progressive Post-Hardcore start?
Also, since it seems like it has turned into such an expressive subgenre wouldn't it fit as a new Prog category on the main page? Most of these bands I search for here are already listed, by the way.
Edited by Shrek the Progre - March 09 2018 at 13:14
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Posted: March 09 2018 at 13:25 |
Most of those bands fit in genres that were well established before progressive post-hardcore. I see this a lot actually. It's the same thing with djent where folks want to shoehorn bands from other and earlier "scenes" into this new and exciting thing. I don't think we need more subgenres tbh. What we really need is individual album tagging.
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Manuel
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Posted: March 09 2018 at 16:58 |
It's hard to have an opinion when I'm not into prog-metal, so I don't know much about the genre, but I think sometimes people are guilty of over-classifying and defining music into too many, unnecessary genres, sub genres, etc. Probably this is a case of this somewhat problematic issue.
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Posted: March 10 2018 at 07:12 |
Manuel wrote:
It's hard to have an opinion when I'm not into prog-metal, so I don't know much about the genre, but I think sometimes people are guilty of over-classifying and defining music into too many, unnecessary genres, sub genres, etc. Probably this is a case of this somewhat problematic issue. |
Well said. It's prog, or it's not prog. It's good, or it's not good. That's all I really care about.
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Posted: March 10 2018 at 07:25 |
Three words: Shudder to Think. Check 'em out if you haven't already, particularly the Pony Express Record album. Original, and artsy post-hardcore that might get you out of that funk. Sorry, I know that doesn't answer your question in any way...
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Posted: March 10 2018 at 08:06 |
A new genre for each band: this is my dream.
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Posted: March 10 2018 at 08:09 |
irrelevant wrote:
Three words: Shudder to Think. Check 'em out if you haven't already, particularly the Pony Express Record album. Original, and artsy post-hardcore that might get you out of that funk.
Sorry, I know that doesn't answer your question in any way...
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i’ve been hearing about them for decades. It’s time I picked up an album and listened to it. I remember a friend playing some for me a couple of decades ago, and remember thinking it was good but not quite punk enough. Nowadays such a description would be more enticing to me than it was then.
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Posted: March 10 2018 at 10:23 |
Drive Like Jehu - yes whiny "-core" kids with breakdowns - no
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Posted: March 11 2018 at 09:24 |
Yes, I agree with the sentiments here and I'll check out the recommendations. I just find it curious that I had never heard about "Progressive Post-Hardcore" and it appears like a somewhat unified movement (even if it doesn't really bring much innovation, or enough to make for a diff genre), and was mostly interested in how this started. Because you know, emo rock and prog seemed so antithetic at some point.
Edited by Shrek the Progre - March 11 2018 at 09:25
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Posted: March 11 2018 at 13:37 |
Shrek the Progre wrote:
emo rock and prog seemed so antithetic at some point.
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why tho? Both look like a perfect escapism scenario for a sad white boy
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Posted: March 11 2018 at 19:26 |
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Shrek the Progre
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Posted: March 11 2018 at 20:59 |
damn this Pony Express Record album is sick, i want to hear some Slint too when i finish this.
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Posted: March 11 2018 at 22:36 |
^ Cool!
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Posted: March 13 2018 at 06:50 |
AFAIK, the term "progressive" in those circles has nothing to do with prog, but with a radical-leftist political stance.
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Posted: March 13 2018 at 12:45 |
I wasn't expecting much when reading the thread title but I'm happy now to see Shudder To Think mentioned on these pages. Awesome band!
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Shrek the Progre
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Posted: March 18 2018 at 20:38 |
im not sure if thats a joke, it doesn't make the least f**king sense. for people like Fripp the "Progressive" in progressive rock meant a desire to expand rock's boundaries, make actually serious music, gather new influences etc. even for RIO acts (which are identified with leftwing movements), "Progressive" was mostly a project inside the music scene/industry.
and thats as far as the Progressive in progressive rock goes.
but of course progressive in progressive post hardcore simply refers to the musical aspects of prog genre. changing rhythm, unusual tempos, mood swings and so on...
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