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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17733 |
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Bands formed in the 60's......Please I know more about 60's than seems you do: Led Zeppelin 1968-1980, 12 yrs and not by their choosing, easily would have gone into the 90's.The Who 1964-? Pink Floyd 1965-2014 Moodies 1964-? Scorpions 1965-? Yes 1968-? CAN 1968-1998 KC 1968-? VdGG 1967-2002 Soft Machine 1966-1988 Rush 1968-2017 I could go on if you need me to.......Beatles had no chemistry to exist past 10yrs. What I believe is they knew they had no future as a band going into the 70's, they were not keen to changing with what was happening in the rock scene. They pulled all they could out of the 60's pop music scene and cashed it in, but had no desire to continue as a band. Can you imagine the Beatles playing like Zeppelin, The Who, Genesis, Yes or even ABBA?? Clearly no......
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noni ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 03 2008 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1092 |
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A favourite of mine is Procal Harum 1967 - ? Were there any bands formed before 1964 ? |
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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Beatles didn't want to keep making the same album again and again. Or tour playing the same songs again and again. Or change the lineup. When you put all of these things together, they lasted about as long as they could have. When you say The Who is still going on, what have they really done in so many years anyway? And I love The Who, they are one of my favourite bands. But it's pretty rich when you decry a band for wanting to leave before people asked "Why not?". We get it, you hate the Beatles. But just don't make criticisms that you are either not in a position to justify (like Beatles apparently having no innovation or adventure) or which are completely pointless anyway.
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Meltdowner ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 25 2013 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 10215 |
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Supposedly, The Beatles ended because each member had too much material and they were fighting for their space on the records. George Harrison released a triple album right after the break up.
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10377 |
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it was a bit different with the Beatles. they split up because of personal differences, especially regarding the close relationship of John Lennon and Yoko One. it had nothing whatever to do with what you say
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17733 |
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You don't get it.....I don't hate the Beatles.......I don't LISTEN to the Beatles, never have. My parents never did, my wife never did.
I don't hate country or classical music, I don't LISTEN to it. None of them appeal to me. And yes I agree that some bands should have quit long ago, ie Yes!! LOL But the members still had discipline to keep going as a band with whoever wanted to make music. I will say the Beatles went out on top, good decision by them. If they had so much material as individual artists, it was not that good or it was against what was happening in the 70's....It did not work. Your only telling me Lennon had better chemistry with Yoko than with the other 3.....so he was done with Beatles before the 9yrs. But as a band in the mid 70's I think they would have died an ugly death, better for them and your love of them that what happened, happened....for whatever reason.
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17733 |
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....Dang!! I knew I missed one......Beach Boys started I think in '62
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1. Hammy vocals.
2. Cheesy lyrics. 3. Covering everything with syrupy layers of mellotron and/or synth to make undistinguished material seem more ‘proggy’. |
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10377 |
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it's you who does not get it. your statements are subjunctive and as such totally meaningless. "can you imagine what music Mozart would have written had he not died at age 35"? "can you imagine how the football match between the Raiders and the Chiefs would have ended had the Raiders' fullback not fumbled that long pass from their quarterback in the last minute of the match"? "can you imagine how WW2 would have continued if the Germans had not been defeated at Stalingrad"? questions like these are absolutely meaningless; anything can be concluded from a false premise. and please, don't hurt my eyes by using "your" instead of "you're"
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17733 |
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^ Are you kidding? This whole topic is 100% subjective, you actually believe the music industry is what it is because of these 4 guys! It's still you, I get your statement. You are in the black or white camp, you either love something or hate something.
Ohh and your holier than thou attitude has always been.....entertaining, thank you. It's a main reason I come back hear to read youre posts and how you treat everyone.
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10377 |
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I'm in no camp at all; I merely pointed out the futility of subjunctive statements. it is not my problem if that upsets you. and I get along very well with most people, so "how you treat everyone" is just your imagination. if you feel maltreated by me: so be it. is it because I made a comment about your use of "your" instead of "you're"? as to my believe why the music industry is the way it is: no
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17733 |
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There is not a single member on this site that upsets me, so no apology needed......I never said you maltreated me either. But I must assume you correct everyone's posts, whether it was written on purpose or not. :) Or maybe just mine, which is flattering you read my posts so intently.
Thank you.........
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10377 |
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I don't correct everyone's post; it just happens that the use of "your" instead of "you're" is one of my pet peeves
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Bedbug ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: May 26 2018 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 4 |
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There are a couple of things which bother me in music, mainly inferior song structure, endless guitar or keyboard widdling to show off technique at the expense of melody and poor vocal performance are the main offenders for me.
The voice can often deteriorate at a relatively early age (with some exceptions) and when this happens, a vocalist should face up to the fact and retire gracefully. There are other cases where vocals can annoy me greatly and without pointing any fingers I'll say cover versions or re-worked old classics using replacement singers are the main two sources of this. It's often the case where some potentially great work is completely wrecked by bad singing.... |
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Bedbug ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: May 26 2018 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 4 |
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And dodgy/cheesy lyrics too of course which I forgot to mention...
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RomerilloLaMissFripp ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: May 27 2018 Location: Dom. Rep. Status: Offline Points: 28 |
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Over-use of synths, too much ambience, songs that would be better as an
instrumental but have vocals that get in the way of the music. Too many
ballad-like songs. Bands that try to play eclectic songs but they don't sound like the same one all throughout because of the disjointed mix of genres thrusted into it, you could fragment the song and it would basically be a bunch of different ones.
Bands that forget developing their own style and just go around changing their sound to resemble different prog greats. As well as ones that forsake their own musical expression to make over-complex bombastic music just for the sake of being the proggiest thing around--Haken I'm looking at you. In fact, I think they're guilty of most of these. |
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MortSahlFan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 01 2018 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 2840 |
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Great topic.. I guess I'd have to go with redundancy. I won't even listen to a song with a drum machine.
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 12799 |
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Then really you have no objective reasoning to back up your opinions. You are uninformed but wish to make blanket statements regarding something you have nothing but the most basic knowledge. To use your own analogy, it would be equally senseless for you to offer comparative opinions on different classical composers. The Beatles paid for their brilliance by being forced to live most of the 1960s in a bubble. They were the first truly "modern" band in the sense they were mobbed, hounded, chased and had constant media scrutiny. They had to quit touring in 1966 because they literally could not hear what they were playing in concert. One would think that by 1970, they had had quite enough of being "Beatles", and wished to be recognized in their own right. By the end, Paul and John both wanted to be leaders and George was tired of only being allotted 2 tracks per album. Watching the tensions rising on the Let It Be documentary, it is simple to see the band had run its course. They put aside their differences and agreed to let George Martin produce the splendid Abbey Road, then called it quits.
Again, your lack of information regarding the 1960s AND the 1970s is quite profound. The Beatles solo released many gems. George Harrison's All Things Must Pass is perhaps one of the best albums of the 1970s, and Concert for Bangladesh and Living in the Material World are also really good and important artifacts of the 1970s. John Lennon released the great John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band album, then Imagine, then got stoned out of his mind for about three years, retired for 5 more and then released the critically acclaimed Double Fantasy in 1980 before being murdered. Paul McCartney was quite good throughout the 1970s before going over the pop deep-end like Phil Collins -- his early solo work like on Ram and the first few Wings albums (Red Rose Speedway, Band on the Run, etc.) were highly regarded. Hell, even Ringo had a few singles ("It Don't Come Easy", "Back of Boogaloo") and good albums in him (1973's Ringo, and Goodnight Vienna).
I read an interesting article that was based on the premise "what if Japan had not bombed Pearl Harbor?" Naturally, it would have went much better for the Japanese Empire if they had merely attacked the Philippines and engaged the U.S. Navy closer to home, rather than attacking Hawaii and threatening the U.S. mainland, thus causing the U.S. to react with full and overwhelming force. But that is all academic. But for the Beatles, and particularly between Lennon and McCartney, there was still animus. Staying together or reforming was not a question during the 70s. But Lennon jammed with both Harrison and Ringo on a few albums. All one has to do is listen to Lennon's biting attack on McCartney "How Do You Sleep" (with George Harrison providing slide guitar, no less). It is also a really good song for a Beatle in the 70s: |
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