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Poll Question: Which is yr favourite
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
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11 [14.67%]
6 [8.00%]
4 [5.33%]
8 [10.67%]
12 [16.00%]
6 [8.00%]
8 [10.67%]
2 [2.67%]
1 [1.33%]
1 [1.33%]
0 [0.00%]
2 [2.67%]
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dellinger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2018 at 21:43
^ Me too. I never seem to be able to remember what that song sounds like, even after just hearing it. And to have it leading over In the Wake of Poseidon and Exiles.
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^I am not suprised at all, more suprised I am that you donīt remember how Night Watch sounds, I think itīs very great melody. When making this poll, I was sure I Talk To the Wind, Exiles & Night Watch will get votes. Most suprised & glad I am Poseidon has done so well, just reason the second album really isnīt very much loved here.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dellinger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2018 at 12:19
^ I guess I'll have to check out that song again. Though perhaps the fact that I have only heard it live (I have not bought the Starless and Bible Black album) has something to do with it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2018 at 12:26
Night Watch is an interesting track with a nice melody (lyrics  based on the painting by Rembrandt)....but I have always thought that the lyrics are crammed into the melody and seem like he has to rush his delivery when singing them to get them to fit into the song structure. An odd song imho.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Dark Elf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2018 at 17:05
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Night Watch is an interesting track with a nice melody (lyrics  based on the painting by Rembrandt)....but I have always thought that the lyrics are crammed into the melody and seem like he has to rush his delivery when singing them to get them to fit into the song structure. An odd song imho.

It's the odd meter that makes it a great song, IMHO. Love the controlled frenzy of the instrumental intro as well. As far as the lyrics go, it is perhaps the greatest poem depicting a painting by anyone this side of Don McLean's "Starry Night".
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Night Watch is an interesting track with a nice melody (lyrics  based on the painting by Rembrandt)....but I have always thought that the lyrics are crammed into the melody and seem like he has to rush his delivery when singing them to get them to fit into the song structure. An odd song imho.

That's nothing compared to Doctor Diamond where Wetton has to sing so fast he can't stuff in all the syllables LOL

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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

^ I guess I'll have to check out that song again. Though perhaps the fact that I have only heard it live (I have not bought the Starless and Bible Black album) has something to do with it.
The whole Starless & Bible Black-album took me a while to get into it. Specially when hearing it quite soon after glorius Larksīs-album, which had many direction changes, it sounded a little bit dull. But after many listenings it showed to be really great album!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dellinger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2018 at 21:37
^ In great part I haven't got it because I already have just about all of it's songs on different live albums, and since about half of it is suposed to come from live performances (The Night Watch, I think, which I also have), and just about the only song that I really liked is Fracture, well, I thought there's really no point in buying it.
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^Well, if you havenīt heard as a whole I think you should at least listen it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Chaser Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2018 at 03:22
Starless and Bible Black is a great album that anyone who enjoys KC should own.

Just outside their top 4 albums but it's still fantastic

The middle improv tracks can be hard to get into but they do click after a while, and Great Deceiver and Lament are excellent (Lament is one of my all time fav KC tracks) and of course Fracture at the end

I would definitely get this album if you don't own it. You won't be disappointed
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2018 at 07:49
I hadn't listened to Starless and Bible Black for quite some time and this thread made me listen to it again. I had forgotten how great Night Watch actually is. Maybe not the no. 1 Crimson song in my book but surely a worthy poll winner. This is what's so great about this forum, it makes me reappreciate such gems.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The.Crimson.King Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2018 at 10:28
Starless & Bible Black was my 1st Crimson album and for many years remained my #1.

I was already into ELP, Tull, Yes, Genesis & Gentle Giant at age 16.  One September Saturday I went up to the counter of my local hole in the wall record store and said, "I really like those King Crimson album covers, what do they sound like?"  The guy gets this evil smile and says, "I'll put something on."  He dropped the needle on Fracture and by the time it ended my mind was blown.  I bought S&BB on the spot...the next day I bought Lizard and the day after USA LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mortte Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2018 at 11:20
Originally posted by Chaser Chaser wrote:

Starless and Bible Black is a great album that anyone who enjoys KC should own.

Just outside their top 4 albums but it's still fantastic

The middle improv tracks can be hard to get into but they do click after a while, and Great Deceiver and Lament are excellent (Lament is one of my all time fav KC tracks) and of course Fracture at the end

I would definitely get this album if you don't own it. You won't be disappointed
I agree fully! SABB is really great entity, like all the other Crimson seventies albums. And really those improv tracks are great, to me it sounds they evolve from "Weīll Let You Know" to final track "Fracture".
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dellinger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2018 at 21:42
Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

^ I guess I'll have to check out that song again. Though perhaps the fact that I have only heard it live (I have not bought the Starless and Bible Black album) has something to do with it.

The whole Starless & Bible Black-album took me a while to get into it. Specially when hearing it quite soon after glorius Larksīs-album, which had many direction changes, it sounded a little bit dull. But after many listenings it showed to be really great album!


Yeah, I guess I should. I still have a few gaps of albums from King Crimson, mostly amended a bit by having the eras covered with live albums (if I had bought studio albums instead of live ones, I guess I would already have all their studio albums... but those live versions of songs are really something special that I wouldn't want to do without. For me many songs are so much better on some live version.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mortte Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2018 at 02:12
^Well, I have always been more studio-album guy, although I really love also some essential great live albums (not much listened live albums outside the official, mostly sixties-seventies releases). I have only Earthbound & USA from Crimson, I have listened those few newest Crimson lives.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dellinger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2018 at 20:45
^ I don't have USA, but instead have Collectable King Crimson, that includes two concerts, one of them is the very same from USA (Ausbury), but without edits nor overdubs (I think they corrected those things in the newest versions of USA, though), and the other concert is also great, and includes my very favourite version of Starless. All in all, it is my favourite live release from that era of the band. And yes, I actually like live albums very much, they often do wonderful things with the songs in their concerts, and King Crimson is one of those bands in which very often the songs are much better live, to the point I'm not really interested in listening to the studio ones again. Or at least not often.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mortte Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2018 at 22:50
^Iīll quess you have already seen DGM-live pieces from Paris 1974? I found out quite recently them from youtube, theyīre really great, although I think they didnīt then fully succeeded in Starless. Really liked that "photoshopped" version of the Night Watch!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dellinger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2018 at 21:16
^ No, I haven't gotten into that Paris show... mostly, I think I already got enough from that line-up, with the Collectable vol 1, The 4 disc set "The Great Deceiver", and "The Night Watch" itself... I think those are all. Yet, I don't quiet understand what you mean about a "photoshopped" version on that album.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mortte Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2018 at 23:48
^My point in whole post there is also moving picture, not just audio like in many old Crimson live pieces in youtube. I havenīt found any other old version of Starless with picture. In "The Night Watch" they have put some filter into picture, itīs hard to see whoīs there playing, but I think it fits really well into mood of that song.
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The Night Watch followed by Exiles
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